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AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 04:27 PM

Something is wrong...
 
This morning when I looked at our tank, I seen little bits of death all over..
Parts of torches - dead! Parts of frog spawns - dead! Duncan coral - dying! Colt coral - dying!!!

All of our levels are exactly where we want them to be.

Salinity -1.024
Nitrates - Less than 10ppm
Temp - 77.9-78.1
PH - 8.25
Ca - 420PPM
Mg - 1350PPM

.. & the list goes on, all near perfect.

WHAT IS HAPPENING?!



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FishingGoalie 03-14-2014 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AchillesTangBeauty (Post 886118)
This morning when I looked at our tank, I seen little bits of death all over..
Parts of torches - dead! Parts of frog spawns - dead! Duncan coral - dying! Colt coral - dying!!!

All of our levels are exactly where we want them to be.

Salinity -1.024
Nitrates - Less than 10ppm
Temp - 77.9-78.1
PH - 8.25
Ca - 420PPM
Mg - 1350PPM

.. & the list goes on, all near perfect.

WHAT IS HAPPENING?!



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What are you phosphates and alkalinity. High phosphates killed my euphylias.

AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 04:38 PM

Hard coral is dying too.


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Aquattro 03-14-2014 04:39 PM

check alk

AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 04:43 PM

But Phosphates - 0.04PPM



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Aquattro 03-14-2014 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AchillesTangBeauty (Post 886124)
But Phosphates - 0.04PPM



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That's fine, what is alk?

AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 04:48 PM

Alk is between 8-11 DKH


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Aquattro 03-14-2014 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AchillesTangBeauty (Post 886127)
Alk is between 8-11 DKH


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I'm not familiar with a test kit that measures between 8 and 11. Is it 8, or is it 11? Not from the last time you checked, but from right now.

AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 04:51 PM

Right now it is 10dkh


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Aquattro 03-14-2014 04:52 PM

That's a fine value as well, assuming it wasn't 4 yesterday :) What has changed since yesterday?

AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 04:52 PM

Sometimes it's 11. But mostly 10. There has been one time it was at 8 in the beginning stages.


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AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 04:53 PM

Absolutely nothing.. The only thing we've done in the last week is swap out for a bigger skimmer.


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AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 04:55 PM

We have a phosphate & carbon reactor & we dose..


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AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 04:56 PM

It's almost as if there is something in our tank, that is going undetected.. Which for me is hard to believe, because we test EVERYTHING every day or 2


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FishyFishy! 03-14-2014 04:57 PM

Check for smelly water coming out of your RO/DI (assuming you use one). Kien recently had this issue.

AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 04:58 PM

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AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 04:59 PM

We don't use RO/DI. We are from Calgary, & according to everyone we've talked to, our water conditions are next to perfect for a reef tank. We've never had an issue until now.


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matt_C 03-14-2014 05:00 PM

i would change your carbon out. as it could be chemical warfare.
also could be http://aquariumcoraldiseases.weebly....drome-bjs.html
just a few suggestions.

Slyguy00 03-14-2014 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AchillesTangBeauty (Post 886139)
We don't use RO/DI. We are from Calgary, & according to everyone we've talked to, our water conditions are next to perfect for a reef tank. We've never had an issue until now.


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Id think twice about that. If you arnt using RODI that could very well be your problem. Perhaps the water has been ok for the most part and maybe just recently ppms spiked? Would be a good idea to test the ppm of your water.

mrhasan 03-14-2014 05:04 PM

Did you do any water change with tap water recently? Lethbridge is undergoing warning on tap water and I also started noticing strong smell of chlorine for the last 2 days at my place (in Calgary).

AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 05:09 PM

Yes, we did a small water change yesterday. & we do a 35 gallon water change every 3 days or so.. Which is minute considering were 425 gallons.


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Slyguy00 03-14-2014 05:10 PM

What is your TDS coming out of your tap?

mrhasan 03-14-2014 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AchillesTangBeauty (Post 886144)
Yes, we did a small water change yesterday. & we do a 35 gallon water change every 3 days or so.. Which is minute considering were 425 gallons.


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That may very well be the issue. The chlorine is so high in concentration right now that the water was smelling even after 20mins of recommended boiling period.

AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by matt@concept (Post 886140)
i would change your carbon out. as it could be chemical warfare.

also could be http://aquariumcoraldiseases.weebly....drome-bjs.html

just a few suggestions.




We changed the carbon in the reactor on March 1st... & the one elegance we had.. Did have brown jelly coming off of it like a month ago, but we removed it from the tank right away.


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denny_C 03-14-2014 05:13 PM

looks like brownjelly to me , if thats the case you could lose some of your lps , the torches,hammers and frogs are the first to go , then brains lobos etc.

it spreads easily and could have came in on any coral that ypou bought recently.

as for the sps dying and softies closed i would think reaction to the dye off and loose jelly floating , as matt mewntioned i would run carbon very aggressively , also i would syphoin and remove any dying flesh on the lps .

lots of flow right now for a bit will help as will a fresh batch of water.

brown jelly is usually caused by a bacterial infection depending on the coral and type ive had great success with furan 2

if rtn starts to kick in for your sps then its safe to say some solid actions need to be taken or you could lose it all fast

AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Slyguy00 (Post 886145)
What is your TDS coming out of your tap?

Around 200.


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Slyguy00 03-14-2014 05:16 PM

Holy!! Your putting that in your tank???? It shouldnt be more than 1-2 tops. Id say thats your problem. But thats just me

AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by denny@concept (Post 886148)
looks like brownjelly to me , if thats the case you could lose some of your lps , the torches,hammers and frogs are the first to go , then brains lobos etc.



it spreads easily and could have came in on any coral that ypou bought recently.



as for the sps dying and softies closed i would think reaction to the dye off and loose jelly floating , as matt mewntioned i would run carbon very aggressively , also i would syphoin and remove any dying flesh on the lps .



lots of flow right now for a bit will help as will a fresh batch of water.



brown jelly is usually caused by a bacterial infection depending on the coral and type ive had great success with furan 2



if rtn starts to kick in for your sps then its safe to say some solid actions need to be taken or you could lose it all fast


What exactly is RTN & what do you mean run carbon aggressively??


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AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Slyguy00 (Post 886150)
Holy!! Your putting that in your tank???? It shouldnt be more than 1-2 tops. Id say thats your problem. But thats just me


That's not me testing.. That's on the city of Calgary water parameters site..


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Slyguy00 03-14-2014 05:18 PM

I would think that the 200ppm is causing all the issues and probably creating the brown goo. Since you said you dont use rodi im assuming you add tap water to your tank? Anything above 0 is to much for my tank personally

AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Slyguy00 (Post 886153)
I would think that the 200ppm is causing all the issues and probably creating the brown goo. Since you said you dont use rodi im assuming you add tap water to your tank? Anything above 0 is to much for my tank personally


That's 200 mg/L ...


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Slyguy00 03-14-2014 05:21 PM

O. Well i dont know what that measurement means. Regardless id say using calgarys tap water is your issue

AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 05:28 PM

It's basically the same as PPM I guess. I'm thinking a combination of running carbon hard & switching to RO/DI is what needs to be done here .


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Misses.ReefWars 03-14-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AchillesTangBeauty (Post 886159)
It's basically the same as PPM I guess. I'm thinking a combination of running carbon hard & switching to RO/DI is what needs to be done here .


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+1 ;)

FishyFishy! 03-14-2014 05:33 PM

Yeah try that for sure. Just watch for brown jelly buildup on your LPS and monitor closely.

But running RO/DI won't hurt. However sticking to tapwater is playing with fire. We have a high chlorine content in our water. Removing some of it with RO/DI is just eliminating one more thing to worry about.

AchillesTangBeauty 03-14-2014 05:41 PM

Should I remove this SPS? & should I be cutting the dead, brown jelly stuff off the frogs & torches??


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denny_C 03-14-2014 06:08 PM

even though we chatted on the phone ill post it here so others can see what needs to be done:)

first youll need to remove any visable jelly, either via syphon which is what i recommend or by removing the coral and snipping off whats dead and rinsing whats left or simply toss it out.

two fresh batches of carbon back to back(aggressive)

i would remove and furan2 dip anything else you think may be infected or showing signs of flesh sloughing off (sps) to kill off the bacteria.

keep up with your water changes and monitor for amonia this will be healthy for your system anyways.

keep up with the flow and avoid new lps for a couple of weeks while the system settles.

not gonna lie you may lose a few pieces but the rest can be saved.

like i mentioned when buying new corals fresh off the boat we dont exactly know theyr'e previous history so always dip as a preventative precaution and buy livestock carefully.


if its not brown jelly and in fact something else this wont hurt your system and will help remedy it while you find the root cause.


hth and like i said if there's anything concept can do to help don't hesitate to ask buddy:)

good luck

denny

denny_C 03-14-2014 06:09 PM

when moving the corals around use a syphon and kill the flow , releasing the jelly to your high flow system is not a good idea so be carefull when pulling them out:)

FishyFishy! 03-14-2014 06:17 PM

Just saw your add up on kijiji for the sale of the tank. Sorry to hear that, But I know you have a bigger, better one coming in the future.

What are the dimensions of the current tank?

FishingGoalie 03-14-2014 06:28 PM

If yuou havent been using RODI then i would suggest you do. The snow melting with all the chemicals in it may be affecting calgarys water.


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