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wreck 11-28-2013 01:56 PM

how many went from led back to t5
 
i was just curious how many people went to LED and then switched back to t5?

im currently running ai sol blues. and the color is ok, but my brothers tank light with t5 seems more eye appealing

Aquattro 11-28-2013 02:03 PM

I found the same and went back to T5. Much happier with color. I think there are a couple of threads and a few polls with more details :)

reefwars 11-28-2013 02:10 PM

Me too led are great but t5 was a better fit for what I wanted to do couldn't be happier :)

wreck 11-28-2013 02:13 PM

thanks fellas, im goin to try and hunt those threads down.

which t5 fixtures are you guys using?

Aquattro 11-28-2013 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wreck (Post 862118)
which t5 fixtures are you guys using?

I use an ATI power module over my DT, and 2 Hagen 2 bulb fixtures over my frag tank. Happy with both.

wreck 11-28-2013 02:19 PM

time for me to get shopping, wonder if there are any black friday sales on t5 haha

gqlmao 11-28-2013 02:20 PM

I was a big advocate for LED lights when they came out, what was there not to like. Efficient, sleek and powerful par readings throughout all depths, and shimmer. However I am finding out that you either need to stack LED units to get proper coverage and to get good light to inaccessible areas (spot lighting). With the multi reflectors on the t-5s you won't have that issue. T-5s put out a nicer spectrum in my opinion however you will need to replace bulbs and lack of shimmer. I am on the ropes between the two. Do I find a second LED unit or complete switch to T-5.

Bulk reef supply has a good sale off their ati sunpower fixtures, a great fixture however it isn't dimmable,15 percent off! so now is the time to buy.

Aquattro 11-28-2013 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wreck (Post 862121)
time for me to get shopping, wonder if there are any black friday sales on t5 haha

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...t=black+friday

maybe :)

Skimmerking 11-28-2013 02:32 PM

Brad I didnt know that you went back to T-5's

Aquattro 11-28-2013 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skimmer King (Post 862126)
Brad I didn't know that you went back to T-5's

Yup, almost 2 months now. I miss the dimming features and shimmer, but happy with the color of the coral. Overall, an upgrade IMO.

kien 11-28-2013 03:16 PM

:pop2:

Reef Pilot 11-28-2013 03:20 PM

I don't want to change anyone's mind here, but I sure don't understand some of the comments about LEDs. I had T5s before, and couldn't imagine going back.

Re color with LEDs. I don't get it. With mine (Radions) I can choose whatever I want. They can be preprogramed on the computer, and then choose them with the touch of a button on the lights. I have blue, royal blue, red, green and white lights that I can tune the mix and intensities of each in a program. If I want the corals to glow, I can do that. I actually prefer the natural look, which is my default.

I do have a special program that only uses white light that I can use for taking coral pics, which then gets rid of that purple/blue effect without having to adjust the white balance. That takes the press of just one button on my lights.

I can even program the lights to be different in different regions of my tank. And there is a huge choice of programs you can import, too. Some claim superior growth. Some just for looks.

As for growth, my SPS is doing great. And I have great color, too.

I'm sure all LEDs are not equal, and maybe some people don't know how to program them. Perhaps that is the real issue.

With T5's, everything is manual, and you have to change bulbs to get the look you want. And you have to keep changing bulbs, over and over....

So, each to their own, I guess...

wreck 11-28-2013 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot (Post 862138)
I don't want to change anyone's mind here, but I sure don't understand some of the comments about LEDs. I had T5s before, and couldn't imagine going back.

Re color with LEDs. I don't get it. With mine (Radions) I can choose whatever I want. They can be preprogramed on the computer, and then choose them with the touch of a button on the lights. I have blue, royal blue, red, green and white lights that I can tune the mix and intensities of each in a program. If I want the corals to glow, I can do that. I actually prefer the natural look, which is my default.

I do have a special program that only uses white light that I can use for taking coral pics, which then gets rid of that purple/blue effect without having to adjust the white balance. That takes the press of just one button on my lights.

I can even program the lights to be different in different regions of my tank. And there is a huge choice of programs you can import, too. Some claim superior growth. Some just for looks.

As for growth, my SPS is doing great. And I have great color, too.

I'm sure all LEDs are not equal, and maybe some people don't know how to program them. Perhaps that is the real issue.

With T5's, everything is manual, and you have to change bulbs to get the look you want. And you have to keep changing bulbs, over and over....

So, each to their own, I guess...

i hear ya, see that might be my difference is that, im using the ai sol blues ( b,rb,w) where u are using caddilacs compared to my fiat hahaha.

kien 11-28-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wreck (Post 862145)
i hear ya, see that might be my difference is that, im using the ai sol blues ( b,rb,w) where u are using caddilacs compared to my fiat hahaha.

Our current TOTM is running AI Sol blues too, fyi. Just sayin' :biggrin:

wreck 11-28-2013 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kien (Post 862148)
Our current TOTM is running AI Sol blues too, fyi. Just sayin' :biggrin:


hmm that tank looks very nice, well s^&t must be my configuration.

thank kien!

Reef Pilot 11-28-2013 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wreck (Post 862145)
i hear ya, see that might be my difference is that, im using the ai sol blues ( b,rb,w) where u are using caddilacs compared to my fiat hahaha.

Yes, I have seen some AI lighted tanks, and didn't really like them. They have a lot of blue/purple and don't look very natural. And don't bring out the red and green as well. But that's just my personal opinion. I know others will differ.

Reef Pilot 11-28-2013 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kien (Post 862148)
Our current TOTM is running AI Sol blues too, fyi. Just sayin' :biggrin:

Yeah, but there is a lot more to his tank, than just the lights!!... You could put almost any lights over that one, and it would still be TOTM. I have seen it in person a few times, and no pics can do it justice.

Aquattro 11-28-2013 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot (Post 862151)
Yeah, but there is a lot more to his tank, than just the lights!!... You could put almost any lights over that one, and it would still be TOTM. I have seen it in person a few times, and no pics can do it justice.

However, and this is what got me going, his frag tank coral colors are much nicer than the DT. Running T5.

The problem is not tuning LED, or them not growing corals or providing really nice color, I just get nicer coral color from T5. Hardly noticeable, but to me, noticeable. The aesthetic look of the tank was also very pleasing with LED. But, with T5, I get all that plus another couple percentage points on SPS color scale. I've never claimed LED were not really good, just not really good enough for my SPS in my tank.

The Guy 11-28-2013 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot (Post 862138)
I don't want to change anyone's mind here, but I sure don't understand some of the comments about LEDs. I had T5s before, and couldn't imagine going back.

Re color with LEDs. I don't get it. With mine (Radions) I can choose whatever I want. They can be preprogramed on the computer, and then choose them with the touch of a button on the lights. I have blue, royal blue, red, green and white lights that I can tune the mix and intensities of each in a program. If I want the corals to glow, I can do that. I actually prefer the natural look, which is my default.

I do have a special program that only uses white light that I can use for taking coral pics, which then gets rid of that purple/blue effect without having to adjust the white balance. That takes the press of just one button on my lights.

I can even program the lights to be different in different regions of my tank. And there is a huge choice of programs you can import, too. Some claim superior growth. Some just for looks.

As for growth, my SPS is doing great. And I have great color, too.

I'm sure all LEDs are not equal, and maybe some people don't know how to program them. Perhaps that is the real issue.

With T5's, everything is manual, and you have to change bulbs to get the look you want. And you have to keep changing bulbs, over and over....

So, each to their own, I guess...

I agree Walter, I use AI's and get great coral color and when you can set the intensity for each channel during the day to evening is a total plus. I would never go back to t5's. But then again opinions are like
a------s everyone has one. :lol:

Aquattro 11-28-2013 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clown lover (Post 862156)
I use AI's and get great coral color and when you can set the intensity for each channel during the day to evening is a total plus.

And that is the main thing I miss with T5, not having that control. However, with a bit of tweaking and LED supplementation, I think I can have the best of both.
For the money I spent (and lost), looking back I should have gone with the ATI hybrid. Or vented the house and stayed with MH :)

wreck 11-28-2013 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clown lover (Post 862156)
I agree Walter, I use AI's and get great coral color and when you can set the intensity for each channel during the day to evening is a total plus. I would never go back to t5's. But then again opinions are like
a------s everyone has one. :lol:

clown lover , would u post your light settings?

kien 11-28-2013 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot (Post 862151)
Yeah, but there is a lot more to his tank, than just the lights!!... You could put almost any lights over that one, and it would still be TOTM. I have seen it in person a few times, and no pics can do it justice.

I totally agree! And that was part of my point as well. If you take everything else out of the equation and just focus on the lights, the lights shouldn't be the issue here :-)

In the end beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I actually preferred the look of his corals in the DT over that of the frag tank. I know others (Brad) would differ.

reefwars 11-28-2013 04:11 PM

Here we go its the but it works for me crowd

Maybe some of us want more then choosing color

I have over 100 different sps 50,lps and 150 Zoos and Ive personally warranty and take apart over 100 radions

I've owned all versions of them and yes they grow corals but so does everything else

Over 10yrs in the hobby dedicated to corals

Between work and home ive seen used Maxspect mazZeras and RAZORS kessils all sizes radioms all gens ghls and now the hybrids

Question how do you find the encrusting time on chalices?

How about growth on your deepwater sps colonies ?

What's your opinion on leds and fungus with zoanthids?


How about wild acropora fresh off the boat any advice?

I highly doubt its a inexperience thing more of a some of us want more than but my corals grow and color fine

Reef Pilot 11-28-2013 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kien (Post 862161)
In the end beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I actually preferred the look of his corals in the DT over that of the frag tank. I know others (Brad) would differ.

You know, there is a lot more to that than meets the eye (haha, how is that for a pun). I have had people over looking at some of my different corals, and they couldn't tell the difference in colour between some, and to me they were totally different. And I don't think they were colour blind either.

So I guess all eyes are not created equal either.

darkreef 11-28-2013 04:19 PM

Miss my t5s .. So many dark spots with led.

reefwars 11-28-2013 04:21 PM

Its all about personal expectations what
one wants another wants different there is no right answer

Chevy or ford

Slyguy00 11-28-2013 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot (Post 862138)
I don't want to change anyone's mind here, but I sure don't understand some of the comments about LEDs. I had T5s before, and couldn't imagine going back.

Re color with LEDs. I don't get it. With mine (Radions) I can choose whatever I want. They can be preprogramed on the computer, and then choose them with the touch of a button on the lights. I have blue, royal blue, red, green and white lights that I can tune the mix and intensities of each in a program. If I want the corals to glow, I can do that. I actually prefer the natural look, which is my default.

I do have a special program that only uses white light that I can use for taking coral pics, which then gets rid of that purple/blue effect without having to adjust the white balance. That takes the press of just one button on my lights.

I can even program the lights to be different in different regions of my tank. And there is a huge choice of programs you can import, too. Some claim superior growth. Some just for looks.

As for growth, my SPS is doing great. And I have great color, too.

I'm sure all LEDs are not equal, and maybe some people don't know how to program them. Perhaps that is the real issue.

With T5's, everything is manual, and you have to change bulbs to get the look you want. And you have to keep changing bulbs, over and over....

So, each to their own, I guess...

+1
Leds are way better all around if you buy the good ones. If you cheap out it will show. Just my opinion

kien 11-28-2013 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reef Pilot (Post 862165)
You know, there is a lot more to that than meets the eye (haha, how is that for a pun). I have had people over looking at some of my different corals, and they couldn't tell the difference in colour between some, and to me they were totally different. And I don't think they were colour blind either.

So I guess all eyes are not created equal either.

I think you're right. There are so many variables involved, our eyeballs being one of them. Our eyes are all different and they do not render light the same. Our brains process that light slightly differently from person to person. Some people see LEDs and they're like WHOA, that's so bright! Some people will look at the same light and say, WHOA, that's not very bright at all. Some people really like the look of the fiji purple T5 bulb and the colour it casts. Some people HATE it.

From all of these threads there are actually two discussions in one which is part of why we keep bouncing around like kids in a bouncy house. 1. Is the light adequate from a technical point of view (growth, colour of corals, controlability etc). 2. Does the light look good (colour cast, colour of corals, spread, spectrum, etc).

Madreefer 11-28-2013 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefwars (Post 862162)
Here we go its the but it works for me crowd

Maybe some of us want more then choosing color

I have over 100 different sps 50,lps and 150 Zoos and Ive personally warranty and take apart over 100 radions

I've owned all versions of them and yes they grow corals but so does everything else

Over 10yrs in the hobby dedicated to corals

Between work and home ive seen used Maxspect mazZeras and RAZORS kessils all sizes radioms all gens ghls and now the hybrids

Question how do you find the encrusting time on chalices?

How about growth on your deepwater sps colonies ?

What's your opinion on leds and fungus with zoanthids?


How about wild acropora fresh off the boat any advice?

I highly doubt its a inexperience thing more of a some of us want more than but my corals grow and color fine

POLL
POLL
POLL

Dez 11-28-2013 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wreck (Post 862145)
i hear ya, see that might be my difference is that, im using the ai sol blues ( b,rb,w) where u are using caddilacs compared to my fiat hahaha.

I run SOL blues too ;)

Reef Pilot 11-28-2013 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reefwars (Post 862162)
How about wild acropora fresh off the boat any advice?

Well, these can be a challenge with any lights.

Where I have seen a negative with LEDs is acclimatization with new corals, especially if they have come from T5 lighting, but even MH. LEDs seem to be harsh on them at the beginning, esp chalices. But what I found is that you have to give them a few months (ramping intensity up slowly), and then suddenly growth takes off, and I mean really takes off. That also goes for the deep water smoothies. Same with colour, can be bleached or brown at first, but then really changes later, and even much nicer than some of the original mother colonies. I have some corals (eg purple cross) that colour up much nicer in my tank, than with other lights.

thmh 11-28-2013 04:30 PM

Led+T5 !!! Why not have both?:D


-Tony

wreck 11-28-2013 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dez (Post 862175)
I run SOL blues too ;)


light settings? would u share them

Madreefer 11-28-2013 04:35 PM

I also agree with other people on not getting the right look on colors and getting that pop out of your corals. I found that my reds really didnt show up at all and tried to find and tried different LEDs to supplement them. No luck until I added a couple of Hydras to the mix. I have 4 Sol Blues and 2 Hydras.

reefwars 11-28-2013 04:47 PM

I can't wait months though I don't have the real estate to house Frags for months on end at $50-200 a polyp or inch trial and error isn't a.luxury I can afford

T5 has its issues as well I'm not saying t5 fixes all these but from a propogation point of view its a easier start

Halides are good to but at 12" for height on my coral beds was not rally a good choice

Leds are great seen some incredible tanks that are no doubt top notch

Doug 11-28-2013 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thmh (Post 862179)
Led+T5 !!! Why not have both?:D


-Tony


$$$$$$$$$$$


Great thread though. Love it, again...:lol:

reefwars 11-28-2013 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Madreefer (Post 862173)
POLL
POLL
POLL

That's Brads turf lol

thmh 11-28-2013 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug (Post 862188)
$$$$$$$$$$$


Great thread though. Love it, again...:lol:

But reefing is an expensive hobby so what's new? Plus led+t5 is not that expensive .... Depending on what your goal is and what your comparing it to.


-Tony

reefwars 11-28-2013 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug (Post 862188)
$$$$$$$$$$$


Great thread though. Love it, again...:lol:

Why I didn't buy one too much money now that I've seen them I then I do think IRS worth it but have no experimenting with them and hard to keep corals in time I guess

Dez 11-28-2013 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wreck (Post 862180)
light settings? would u share them

W75% B66% R75% with a 2 1/2 hr ramp period from 9:30am - 8pm with a 4 hr ramp down period down to R2% for moonlighting.


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