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What's your take on zeovit?
Well I tried prodibio before moving my tank to the new place (15 vials of biodigest and 15 vials of biotim). Well, honestly, I am not really happy with it. Part of the reason being that I didn't notice much change (maybe I am judging too quickly?) but that's not my real reason. The real reason is why should I use a product from a company who cannot even find the "required" dosage???!!!!! I think this is the 3rd (or probably) 4th time they have changed their dosage recommendation. So I quit :)
Anyway, this thread is not about prodibio so lets leave the argument for some other time. I recently bought three blue bottles of magic potions named coral vitalizer, coral snow and phol's xtra. Yesterday was the first dosage. Its obviously too quick to judge the output of CV and Xtra but coral snow got me impressed overnight! My tank's water is very clear (people who came over generally appreciate that before anything :biggrin:) but my OH MY! This thing make my water almost disappear (if it wasn't for the wave, I wouldnt even notice the water; its THAT clear). So, being impatient, I have started studying about zeovit and I like it :) Seems like a lot of work but I like my tank to be interactive and just not something that I will just look at. So, I am just wondering, who are using proper zeovit system? I know Brad does so please do share your thoughts :) Do you like it? Does it worth it? I have done my calculation and the running cost seems to be fairly low (compared to prodibio!). So looking forward to some insights :) |
First of all, what are you looking for or what are your expectations when dosing zeovit?
Some go all out with the program while others adopt certain potions that they like. |
What change were u expecting from prodibio as well. Been using it 2 years and like it
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Like rice reef states some go all out with the program with dosing the 3 bactor stuff with the zeo reactors and all the fixings. I think the only way to get the zeo look is to go all out. Some people use specific ones to achieve something specific.
Personally I have tried their products here and there and only really kept using coral snow for the cleaning effect and to help battle cyano bacteria if they pop up. Some corals look stunning when they get the classic zeo pastel colouration but in general i like the coral colours more deep and solid. |
I dosed the same 3 you bought for close to a year with no noticeable difference when I started or when I quit except my wallet was lighter.
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Been using prodibio bio-digest and bioptim for a while now and love the results.also using the ff KZ additives:amino acid,amino acid lps,pohl's xtra,coral vitalizer,k potassium balance,sponge power,macro elements,iron,and I'm getting good coloration and growth.just purchased coral snow and dosed on Friday but haven't noticed any changes yet(too early perhaps)
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I think once you look into the cost of the two programs zeo will be more costly.
I run some zeo products in my tank and the zeo products are twice as much I can get. Prodi for $40 big box All the zeo foods are $50+. Per bottle. Give it a shot u may love it Myself though prodi runs me $120 a year The zeo foods prob over $300 a year |
I used:Sponge Power
Coral Vitalizer Pohls Extra Coral Snow My water was very clear and I had a lot more sponges. I did notice that the day after every dose of Pohls Extra I would get a tiny spot of red cyano show up. I have not used Zeovit for a few years now other than Coral Snow when I remember. Which is maybe 1 or 2 times a month. I think Zeovit products are too expensive for me to use and I'm not a "struggling student". |
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Prodibio biotim + biodigest (15+15 vials box) costs $40 (taking the cost you posted). My tank is 70 gallon (net volume). So basically, I will have to dose the exact same amount that a 100 gallon would dose. Each vial cost $1.3 (excluding TAX). Basically, I will have to dose 4 vials every 15 days (2 + 2) thus, costing me 8 vials every month ($10.6). Afterwards, I will have to reach out to add elements like CV (+$50), CS (+$50), xtra (+$50)....etc.....cost actually starts getting build up. It would be wise to compare prodibio's cost directly to the basic four. 1lt of zeolite = $17. This will go will be enough for 16 weeks/4 months (500lt is needed for my tank). So, this costs $4.25. Zeobac 10ml = $20. For my tank, I will have to dose 3 drops (perhaps) twice per week. Hence 6 drops per week or 24 drops per month. That equals to around 1ml per month. So this bottle will cost me $2/month. Zeofood 50ml = $20. For my tank, I will have to dose 3 drops (perhaps) twice per week. Hence 6 drops per week or 24 drops per month. That equals to around 1ml per month. So this bottle will cost me $0.4/month Zeostart 250ml = $45. For my tank, I will have to dose 0.5ml daily. Thus 15ml monthly. So this bottle will cost me $2.7/month So, basically, prodibio would cost me $10.6/month for the same result (being optimistic here) that zeovit would do for $9.35/month. Rest of the cost will incur depending on personal ways and views. But basically, to maintain ULNS, that's the cost for my tank. Generally, in zeovit forum, people who run full form of zeovit predicts a cost of $20-25/month on a moderately sized tank. So, extrapolating that results in a maximum of $300/year. I am sure that will go up with prodibio if you follow the same dosing regime as with complete zeovit system. Quote:
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I would probably still be using all I mentioned but the Pohls if I didn't have to order online. It adds too much to the cost in my case. |
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I think the biggest problem is comming off zeo or missing some dosages. It's way way more intense and time consuming. U can really leave your tank for a week pluse on zeo. I used both and like prodibio the best. Your not going to get results from anything in a month. And ontop of that I find not all corals do well in a ulns.
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Fish 2 yellow tangs 2 clowns flame hawkfish diamond goby royal gamma Corals -mixed reef Not really interested why it didn't work I was just sharing my experience |
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I just like reading about people's experience with these systems :pop2:
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On a 70g system you should dose 1 vial of bio digest and 2 vials of bioptim. 1 vial of bio digest is good till 250g. All in all it costs you less than a pack of darts a month to run it.
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Yah it costs less than a pack of darts but zeo costs about $1 less than that (according to the calculation I posted above). With prodibio, it would be like...hmm....how much should I dose with the new batch....(and have to look at the back). |
I bet you got the nano reef kit. I also double checked the boxes. Bio digest 1 vial for 30 to 250g and bioptim 2 vial for 50 to 100g.
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I only care about what it says on the box when I use it. Dose twice a month and I'm done. Zeovit imo takes up a lot of time and money.
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And I thought hobbyist believe "you get what you paid for". Wonder why someone wouldn't go to zeovit, which is a proven system (the dosing schedule is steep thats for sure but when it comes to cost, why not?) |
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I started zeo almost a month ago. The results I am getting are noticeable, I could see results after about 10 days. Now my tank has been running for about 18 months, so I'm just dropping the levels. I'm only adding zeo back and start, with 3L of zeovit and carbon.
I also joined the zeovit forum, very very helpful. They get back to you fairly quickly, and after several pm's I was on my way down the rabbit hole. My algae problem is almost completely gone. I tried prodibio before for several months without these results. Just my opinion and thoughts are that you have to find a system that works for you. For me, that's zeo. Bob |
I've done a huge price comparison in the past and zeo came out cheaper every time. I run the base system... Zeobak, Zeo food, coral snow, amino acids, Start (on a dosing pump), and change my Zeolites every 3-4 months. My phosphate and nitrate levels are barely detectable, even when I skip water changes for a month at a time. For 300 gallons of water volume, my yearly cost is $300-ish and I physically dose twice per week.
I've tried bio pellets in the start, which did an amazing job on the nitrates. Phosphates rose and I noticed problems with my corals. Prodibio was way too expensive for my tank. It came out to almost double of what I'm doing with Zeovit now. Also cracking vials and dumping stuff in is more clunky than unscrewing a bottle and squeezing stuff in. |
Zeovit-Stick to the system and it works. Great colours, good polyp extension.
Me-laziness and it works. Decent colours (just not pastel), good growth and polyp extension. Basically to each his own. I did zeo for over 2 years and I weaned my system off of it and sold my reactor. Not cause it didn't work, simply cause of laziness. Some corals look better with zeo, others don't. Can't please every single coral with one system. My tank still looks great and I've got corals that I can't remove due to size. If have to break the coral to remove it due to my glass braces and size of the coral. |
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You can run zeo additives sans reactor (bak and start3) similarly to how you'd run prodibio for similar net effect. You just get a lot of benefit to having a reactor and doing everything daily. Consistency yields better results.
It's sorta like having a calcium reactor/doser setup vs manually adding your ca/kh/mg. Overall increases in water stability and makeup regularity promotes better vigor. |
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Time is a variable that cannot be judged. Plus, from the looks of it, you only need about 5 minutes every day at max (dosing gets lower to weekly dosing once everything gets under control) which is not a big deal to me. I spend way too long staring at the tank :P |
I guess if you run or want to run an ULNS then it would pay. For me I like just cracking a couple of vials a month for my mostly LPS system.
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And your "lazy" version doesn't have much impact right? Like missing a week worth of dosing and stuffs? |
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I think the zeorocks have a lot to do with keeping the PO4 and NO3 down. |
I'm gonna be following this thread. I've considered getting a zeo reactor with the rocks in the past but just been too lazy to do the research. I stopped when I got to the part where it says not to run if running a refugium. But yet my refugium is not for growing any algae but strictly pods.
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