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Most people dose Coral E and B daily and dose A and V every second day. They should be added in the evening after lights out.
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Very interested AF Product. How long normally shipping to your door after payment? Amazon says 1 to 3 month.
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I got mine in less than a week.
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My wife has Amazon Student so 2 days to get any AF product I've ever ordered.
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Great!! Thanks. Are they shipping by Canada post or other?
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My other AF products were shipped via Canada Post however - such as A, B, E, V etc.. I have prime and it was free 2 day shipping, but my salt was 3 days. |
I'm thinking to order probiotic salt. My tank has little bit softy and LPS. Mainly SPS but they are still small frag and mini colony size. Currently dosing big three plus vinegar. I also run bio-pellet. Do you think I better to dose coral A B E V? And if it's better, do I still need to dose big three and vinegar? Sorry I haven't read all thread yet and still searching
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For anyone interested Amazon has the 25 kg reef salt boxes back in stock... For now.
I order from Amazon all the time, they are simply fantastic, I do like 3/4 of my shopping on there. Right now they are not using Canada Post they are using Purolator whenever possible. They literally use about a dozen different shippers depending on many factors. |
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In terms of vinegar that is a carbon source. Aquaforest makes NP Pro which would replace your vinegar and they also make pro bio F which is another carbon source. Either on of these products would replace your vinegar and biopellets, however, you would also need to supplement a bacteria Pro Bio S. Aquaforests does make Component 1+ 2+ 3+ which is a calcium/alkalinity/magnesium and mineral salt system with the added Trace elements and heavy metals. Or you could make your own and add the trace elements (component strong) and mineral salt. This is what I do as the 5liter pre made jugs would be to costly in my system. Really depends on your system demand. I currently running the full aquaforest system and have been extremelyhappy with it. |
ProBioF is bacteria and food source together, it's like NP Pro and ProBioS together in powder form.
I also don't know if you need to dose carbon AND run biopellets, usually one or the other, but I can see it working as long as you don't have absolutely zero nitrate. |
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My salt showed up in about 5 days. It was delivered by ups. They just dropped it at the door, he didn't look happy to be lugging 25kg of salt to the door.
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If you want to use the NP Pro they only have a reseller on Amazon.ca over-charging by a lot. Aquariumdepot.ca carries it for much cheaper.
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Placed order. Exciting.
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Just wondering if anyone else is having similar experiences, but I use the following:
Probiotic Salt Components 1+, 2+, 3+ AF A, E, B (but have recently stopped dosing these as I have had brown algae issues) Pro Bio F (again stopped dosing *see below for details) Anyways I recently stopped dosing the A, E and B as I was having some brown algae issues, and looking to have this clear up a bit before continuing. *The main thing though is the fact that i have been running this program since June and only dosed Pro Bio F for the first 2 weeks and noticed my Nitrates being unreadable (actually 0 - OR under 1) so decided it was working all too well to reduce Nitrate. For the record I always had below 5 nitrates usually, and a low bio load, but I can't for the life of me get them to increase! Are the probiotics in the salt enough for me? I figure if i increase my livestock (fish) I may need to dose Pro Bio F, but I have since nearly doubled my feedings and nitrate still hasn't budged. I'm not complaining per-se, but it is definitely keeping my SPS from colouring up, as they are a bit pale. |
If you don't need it, don't dose it. I would stop dosing and feed more and see if you can get your nitrates to the 2 - 3 range, you may need more fish to do it.
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I have a 20g with 2 clownfish right now. I have a Royal Gramma in QT right now that will be added at the end of the month after meds.
Hopefully that helps. I feed 2x cubes per week as well as Reef Roids and Pellets about 3x/day for my hungry clowns. Must just be my small tank and low bioload. I would feed more, but I don't see any extra food being eaten. My clowns and LPS barely eat everything I give them already (I like fat fish okay!) :p |
Is there any advantage of using the AF probiotic salt if I don't use any other AF product and don't carbon dose? Perhaps just use their reef salt?
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We're saying the same thing two different ways basically, since PBS and NP Pro are basically carbon dosing to get ULNS... Although if you look at the AF product guide you can certainly use regular Reef Salt with SPS, I do myself. To me it sounds like you're confusing trace elements with nutrients which are not the same thing. |
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It was discussed about a week ago on the FB group, I'll see if I can find it.
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Sorry Mindy I just scanned through for about 20 minutes, I can't find it. Now you're making me second guess the whole thing (lol). I would say if you are getting good results and are happy with your tank I wouldn't change a thing.
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reliable information is the key. I have a 100 gal mixed reef. The SPS component consists of smaller acros, various monti's, and birds nests but I am looking to grow this part of the reef. I have numerous LPS as well and then for softies I have some toadstools, colt/Kenya, and Zoas. I am trying to keep everything happy. Currently use IO reef salt, but I am considering switching to Aquaforest. I dose Ca, Alk and Mg automatically. Then trace elements, acro power, and MB7 by hand somewhat sporadically. I also run a protein skimmer, RowaPhos, Hydroton, and NitraGuard. Heavy bioload system. So which salt is best for me? I am trying to run ULNS. I am away a lot, so can't do a zeo tank or anything that needs daily attention, it needs to run itself for upto 4 days. Any thoughts?
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One of the aquaforest products I have found most beneficial is their component 1+2+3 (I make my own though with component strong and dry mix as it'stands way cheaper). The added benefits of these trace elements have really helped in growth and color and I think many others can attest to this. Either way you go in the end, reef salt or probiotic, is fine. Aquaforest is one of those systems you can go all in or pick and choose the products based on what you are looking to achieve. Don't know if this really answered your question What's your current measurements for phosphate and nitrate in your system? |
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haha typed that on the phone... don't know why it repeated the word "and" 3 times in a row.
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My phosphate is showing zero on the Hanna and my nitrates are 0.05 Salifert.
The reason I am thinking of switching salts is, I don't like some of the high alk that I get form IO and I have been battling cyano and now dino's. So I was hoping that maybe probiotic would be the way to go (would this even help?). I dose c-balance as two part and my own Mag mix...which is what Aquaforest 1+2+3 is, I think..but I am not adverse to switching. My doser is only 3 heads so didn't really want to add something else. I was all set to try biopellets, but after some research, they sounded a little tricky for me. Maybe I should find a way to add a fuge? Little tricky in my set up but there might be a way. I recently added 2 gals of hydroton into the sump to increase the biofilter and started to use Nitroguard as well to reduce Nitrates. I love to have a full tank of corals and fish...but right now Dinoflagellets are killing me! |
Either salt is fine then as they both have close to natural sea water levels in terms of alkalinity. You are already low nutrient so not really necessary to change what you are doing otherwise, unless you are like me and always like to fiddle and change things. For carbon dosing methods, i've done zeo, vodka, vinegar, biopellets, all in one biopellets and now aquaforest which I am happiest with.
In terms of Dino's that's a whole different story and I've never had them so I cant really offer much advice. Although I do know people that have had success with a lights out period and hydrogen peroxide dosing (don't know if its the safest method). I'm not sure but the beneficial bacteria from the aquaforest probiotic salt might help to out compete the dino, but probably no where near enough to do so on its own. Again this is something you might want to research specifically. But for lowering alk you could use either salt as both are roughly the same parameters. |
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I don't know if running a fuge helps, your phos and nitrate are almost zero and also you running rowa phos, the algae in the fuge will just die.... There are a few different salt you can look into it with lower alk, or just can spend $15 dollar a Canadian tires on 1 gallon of muriatic acid.... Probiotic salt can get expensive. Do you use Ro/di water? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
I tend to agree, I don't see the point of adding a fuge or biopellets if you already have nutrients that low.
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I do not want to bash aquaforest salt, have no experience with it and I bet is a good product that I'll like to try someday, but at the moment want to finish my other supplies first. Just wanted to say that switching just to a probiotic salt may do not fix your problem with algae Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Not that I matters because 0.05 or 0.5 nitrates are fine , but the Salifert test doesn't measure low range down to 0.05 as you stated. The Aquaforest component 123 is similar to C balance in that the mag is added to the Calcium part , the main difference is with the addition of the mineral salts. So you're dosing 3 containers of equal amounts , similar to balling system , so your 3 head doser will work great. I agree with everyone else that if your no3 and po4 are that low already then there's no reason to try biopellets or even a fuge unless you really want to increase your bioload with more fish etc. |
In terms of your cyano, I have used chemi clean in the past with excellent results as I once had a cyano outbreak. If you use something like this though make sure you do it properly and don't skip any steps.
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