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Alohatropics 03-02-2010 02:30 AM

My problem is that I have a 550gallon system and I'm running almost 3L of Biopellets. It would take a huge reactor and a huge pump to tumble that much. This is why I chose to put it with the zeolites. I can manually pump the reactor and mix everything up 2x a day this way. Is there something you would recommend for running this much NP?

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-02-2010 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Alohatropics (Post 497402)
My problem is that I have a 550gallon system and I'm running almost 3L of Biopellets. It would take a huge reactor and a huge pump to tumble that much. This is why I chose to put it with the zeolites. I can manually pump the reactor and mix everything up 2x a day this way. Is there something you would recommend for running this much NP?

I would run something like this http://www.oceaniccorals.com/store/i...&productId=134 with a Mag 3 pump, you should have no problem fitting in 3L of media and also keeping them fluidized. You have a rather large system!

Alohatropics 03-02-2010 02:39 AM

Thats funny, I'm running an MR Monster with carbon in one tube and GFO in the other. Maybe I'll run the pellets in both because they didn't fit into 1 tube originally. Thanks!

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-02-2010 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Alohatropics (Post 497406)
Thats funny, I'm running an MR Monster with carbon in one tube and GFO in the other. Maybe I'll run the pellets in both because they didn't fit into 1 tube originally. Thanks!


Glad we could help, also welcome to Canreef! Where in NY are you from and how did you find us?

Alohatropics 03-02-2010 02:45 AM

I'm on Long Island, I'm actually a vendor but I was searching for some people on the internet that is running both NP and Zeo together. Thanks for the info!

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-02-2010 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by alohatropics (Post 497411)
i'm on long island, i'm actually a vendor but i was searching for some people on the internet that is running both np and zeo together. Thanks for the info!

yw!

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-04-2010 10:51 PM

All Pellets have shipped to all those who have been waiting ever so patiently for them to arrive!~ Post your results once you get them running!

Thanks!

O.C.

kien 03-04-2010 10:56 PM

If you don't like them for whatever reason, I am setting up an environmentally safe and sound disposal facility in my basement, so please send them my way.

PM for details.

K.

banditpowdercoat 03-04-2010 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kien (Post 498287)
if you don't like them for whatever reason, i am setting up an environmentally safe and sound disposal facility in my basement, so please send them my way.

Pm for details.

K.

lmao!!

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-04-2010 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kien (Post 498287)
If you don't like them for whatever reason, I am setting up an environmentally safe and sound disposal facility in my basement, so please send them my way.

PM for details.

K.


LOL,

Kien,

You will love the Reactor combo, post pics when you get it going.....

:mrgreen:

Delphinus 03-04-2010 11:35 PM

Kien, will you be paying out the ten cents per pellet recycling deposit? If so, you can have all of mine. :lol:

RuGlu6 03-05-2010 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alohatropics (Post 497402)
My problem is that I have a 550gallon system and I'm running almost 3L of Biopellets. It would take a huge reactor and a huge pump to tumble that much. This is why I chose to put it with the zeolites. I can manually pump the reactor and mix everything up 2x a day this way. Is there something you would recommend for running this much NP?

here is good size media reactor for $37 CAD (shipping is +$30)

http://www.reefshops.com/diy-product...he-filter.html
diameter: 21cm high: 38cm 8" inch x 15" high
Would it hold 3L ? but price is sweet though, and looks like ppl on here are are buying from these guys.

banditpowdercoat 03-05-2010 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by RuGlu6 (Post 498362)
here is good size media reactor for $37 CAD (shipping is +$30)

http://www.reefshops.com/diy-product...he-filter.html
diameter: 21cm high: 38cm 8" inch x 15" high
Would it hold 3L ? but price is sweet though, and looks like ppl on here are are buying from these guys.


WOW, that looks good, for the price. I'd be in on splitting shipping with someone if they were making an order.

albert_dao 03-05-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by alohatropics (Post 497411)
i'm on long island, i'm actually a vendor but i was searching for some people on the internet that is running both np and zeo together. Thanks for the info!

lol! What's up felix???

Zoaelite 03-05-2010 06:15 PM

This can't actually be true, look at the prices on that website they are WAY out to lunch. They have a similar lighting system to mine for less than $200.00 while I payed over $800.00 retail for mine...
Levi

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Originally Posted by banditpowdercoat (Post 498368)
WOW, that looks good, for the price. I'd be in on splitting shipping with someone if they were making an order.


OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-05-2010 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by zoaElite (Post 498557)
This can't actually be true, look at the prices on that website they are WAY out to lunch. They have a similar lighting system to mine for less than $200.00 while I payed over $800.00 retail for mine...
Levi


It is likely true pricing but also looks to be cheap Chinese knock offs..... Correct me if I am wrong...

Zoaelite 03-05-2010 06:24 PM

Could be true, I have never heard of any of the brands they are trying to sport.

Ron99 03-05-2010 07:12 PM

Prices are for real. I bought my Bubble Magus skimmer from them. Shipping is expensive though. Which light fixture are you looking at? Many of the chinese fixtures use the same parts (especially housings) as other commercial ones that are non-chinese companies manufacturing their fixtures in China.

RuGlu6 03-06-2010 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron99 (Post 498575)
Prices are for real. I bought my Bubble Magus skimmer from them. Shipping is expensive though. Which light fixture are you looking at? Many of the chinese fixtures use the same parts (especially housings) as other commercial ones that are non-chinese companies manufacturing their fixtures in China.

I lake their skimmers a lot, especially ones with eheim and aquabee pumps, the acrylic part is very well made, and pumps we already know are reliable.
So what do we have to loose ? The web site is real and been around for some time now.
If we look at our equipment how many units are made in Canada ?:wink:

Coleus 03-08-2010 02:09 AM

Well, Alberta_reef came over my place with his cut out mesh and installed them into my TLF, it has been tumbled nicely for last two days now. Thanks Cory

kien 03-08-2010 03:17 AM

So far i have not heard anything negative about these pellets. They seem to do what they claim to do and that is reduce nitrates and phosphates. So my question is, why would you run zeo rocks or macro algae or mangroves or VSV knowing that these pellets exist and are so easy to use? Just curious :-)

karazy 03-08-2010 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kien (Post 499325)
So far i have not heard anything negative about these pellets. They seem to do what they claim to do and that is reduce nitrates and phosphates. So my question is, why would you run zeo rocks or macro algae or mangroves or VSV knowing that these pellets exist and are so easy to use? Just curious :-)

because at 100 bucks a litre dey expensive! (compared to macro algae atleast)

kien 03-08-2010 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by karazy (Post 499326)
because at 100 bucks a litre dey expensive! (compared to macro algae atleast)

oh that is a very good point! They are not cheap.. but they do last a long time it seems.

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-08-2010 04:18 AM

Re: N/P Reducing Pellets ("Solid Vodka") and Zeovit - Wow
 
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Originally Posted by kien

oh that is a very good point! They are not cheap.. but they do last a long time it seems.


Not cheap for something that lasts up to 14 or more months? I would say it is an easy choice even compared to the natural route. Around $6 a month for the cost of pellets is insanely cheap in this hobby.

It is easy to forget the food source aspect of the pellets too, pretty nice added benefit....

Delphinus 03-08-2010 04:30 AM

Not being a true blue zeohead I can only guess here .. but I think zeo does more than just reduce nutrients. For one, there's the food thing (ok, guess that's still equivalent to the pellets, but I bet the particulate size is different, which makes it somewhat distinguishable), water clarity and brighter SPS colours. Just guesses though.

If the goal was just nutrient reduction though - the pellets are cheaper and more effective without manual daily intervention. That said, some regular basis monitoring is still needed (make sure there are no clogs etc) but at least you're not pumping some reactor every day.

I dunno. I'm not sure if the zeo guys are worried yet, but I do agree the pellets on their own seem probably good enough for most folks. Going beyond that and doing both is probably venturing into a more experimental type category perhaps..

kien 03-08-2010 05:08 AM

Well, I think the zeo additives will continue to be used, perhaps in conjunction with the pellets (i'm sure tonnes of people are doing that now). I didn't realize the zeo rocks clarified the water as well. I thought coral snow did that. $6 a month is pretty darn cheap in this hobby! Especially for what the $6 is getting you each month, low nutrients (which is priceless in my opinion).

Lance 03-08-2010 06:13 AM

I've been using the pellets along with the Zeovit Amino Acid, Sponge Power and Coral Vitalizer, without the Zeo Rocks. Nitrate levels have dropped considerably which I attribute to the pellets. I may drop the additives to see if there is any change in coral colour and growth.

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-08-2010 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance (Post 499424)
I've been using the pellets along with the Zeovit Amino Acid, Sponge Power and Coral Vitalizer, without the Zeo Rocks. Nitrate levels have dropped considerably which I attribute to the pellets. I may drop the additives to see if there is any change in coral colour and growth.

The Vertex reactor package sure works well hey?:wink:

ALBERTA REEF 03-08-2010 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Coleus (Post 499292)
Well, Alberta_reef came over my place with his cut out mesh and installed them into my TLF, it has been tumbled nicely for last two days now. Thanks Cory

Tai No prob. Glade I could help. My pellets have been tumbling for over 10 day with no problems after I have done the mesh. At that time I cleaned my skimmer cup. Tonight I cleaned the top mesh of the TLF reactor. Just cleaned it in the sump. There is going to be some maintenance with the top mesh. I cleaned the skimmer cup as well. It was only half full but big difference in the skim.

Tai when I had the cover of my TLF there is a rubber o ring you are missing on yours. Once you install the o ring. You have no more problems with leaks.

I will post some test results later.

Lance 03-08-2010 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OceanicCorals-Ian- (Post 499429)
The Vertex reactor package sure works well hey?:wink:


Yup. The UF-15 easily holds one liter of pellets and tumbles them very nicely with the MJ-1200. Very happy with it.

freezetyle 03-09-2010 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance (Post 499518)
Yup. The UF-15 easily holds one liter of pellets and tumbles them very nicely with the MJ-1200. Very happy with it.

how did you do the plumbing on yours?

kien 03-09-2010 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by OceanicCorals-Ian- (Post 498307)
LOL,

Kien,

You will love the Reactor combo, post pics when you get it going.....

:mrgreen:

Are you talking about this bad boy? :biggrin:

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1268118407 http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1268118425

tumble tumble tumble

Delphinus 03-09-2010 06:15 AM

Man look at all those shiny RED reactors out there. I feel so ... blue ... with the MR-1. :lol: 3/4" inlets too on the Vertex ... nice, that has has Mag drive written all over it. The MR-1 is nice for being 1/2" outlets so fits on the MJ1200 easier, but I found it already once having stopped tumbling so I reduced the pellets to half and it started tumbling again sometime during my week away. Was thinking I'd have to modify the reactor to accept larger piping and a Mag drive ... Oh, IF ONLY SOMEONE HAD TOLD ME ABOUT THE VERTEX!!! :p

freezetyle 03-09-2010 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by kien (Post 499792)

This thing is a monster!

kien 03-09-2010 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by freezetyle (Post 499798)
This thing is a monster!

Go big or go home! :lol: Seriously though, you do want these things pretty big to successfully use the pellets in my opinion. I ran them in a TLF phosban reactors for a while and although that worked out okay, I did find I was having to shake it every so often to dislodge the pellets as they clumped quite easily. Also, the max that i could get in the TLF reactor was like, 300ml or something like that. I suppose that would be okay for smaller tanks.

ALBERTA REEF 03-09-2010 07:03 AM

http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1268118407 http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1268118425

The reactor is a well build unit. I had one apart at Red Coral last week. Only think I would change would be the valve. A gate valve would really make it that much better.

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-09-2010 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Delphinus (Post 499795)
Oh, IF ONLY SOMEONE HAD TOLD ME ABOUT THE VERTEX!!! :p


OKAY OKAY! If this could be anymore directed it would have hit me right in the forehead! :lol:

We had not tested the Vertex reactors when you bought your Nextreef model; however, this would have been the one recommended if we knew what what we know now. Both reactors are good but the Vertex one is a better design when running a litre or more of the pellets.

I have an idea! Because O.C. is all about service, I will send you a shiny new "red" reactor and once you get it wrap up your Nextreef and send it back. I have a use for the used Nextreef, just pay the difference!

Hmmm, how is that? LOL :mrgreen:

muck 03-09-2010 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OceanicCorals-Ian- (Post 499848)
OKAY OKAY! If this could be anymore directed it would have hit me right in the forehead! :lol:

We had not tested the Vertex reactors when you bought your Nextreef model; however, this would have been the one recommended if we knew what what we know now. Both reactors are good but the Vertex one is a better design when running a litre or more of the pellets.

I have an idea! Because O.C. is all about service, I will send you a shiny new "red" reactor and once you get it wrap up your Nextreef and send it back. I have a use for the used Nextreef, just pay the difference!

Hmmm, how is that? LOL :mrgreen:

Can't get a better offer than that TOE-NEE!!!
DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT

Lance 03-09-2010 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by freezetyle (Post 499669)
how did you do the plumbing on yours?


I found a barbed fitting that was 1/2" on one end and 3/4" on the other. Then a couple of hose clamps.

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-09-2010 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kien (Post 499792)


Nice! Thanks for the pictures! Do you have the sponge in the bottom? If so take it out right away, you don't need to run ANY sponges, it is okay if the pellets fall down below the bottom plate. Even better get some of our Reactor Mod material or buy something locally like it and modify your reactor.

Ian


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