No worries - and ya, I started a new thread in my forum to continue a discussion I though was important (ya kinda a trouble-maker myself!). Thanks. Dave

Your wrong Dave, I didnt sell my credit, I gave it away. Yes I was quite upset that the zoa frag that I had purchased died in your care and without notification to me you cut a fresh one ( off a colony that was sick anyways) and shipped it. I sure wasnt going to pay $60 shipping to replace a $30 frag.

One other online frag outlet used a ploy on me a number of times back in the day.. it seems every order I received had one frag that somehow had just dissolved.. so to justify the shipping of a "free" replacement I would add a couple of hundred $ of new stuff.. and what ya know.. one would come as just an empty rock or frag disk... I have never had a zoa frag in my tank just dissolve to nothing in 6-12 hours..

I dont know what your using to grow corals.. but I have never had a fresh cut acro frag encrust in 5 days!

Could have sworn you posted following the frag not surviving shipping that you were selling the $30 credit for $10 less than it was worth ($20)....and then I recall increasing the value of the credit to $50 to help you sell it in a timely manner - perhaps I am incorrect. Somebody look that up!

Also "fragging of a off a colony that was sick anyways" - those are your words not mine. Does not sound like something I would do as I don't need the $30 that bad.

Depending on the SPS frag and where I place it (assuming the frag is cut flush) - yup 5-8 days depending on the coral (and this one does like to encrust). Keeping the magnessium high is my secret.

Well....I'm sure that for any potential business from me, you could somehow persuade your LFS to relinquiesh the CITES for me to veryify...otherwise how would I know? I am just basing my purchase on your honesty that the corals were imported legally.

Could I call DFO to visit your LFS so that they can verify the CITES authenticity before I make a purchase?

Could you kindly ask your LFS if this would be a possibility?

Thanks.

RAD, I believe your sole intent here is to cause trouble. Please refrain from this activity. The vendor is not responsible for showing you anything. It is an unreasonable request, no LFS would oblige to this type of request.

how much are you looking to spend?

Now there is the crux of the matter.
Thanks for adding to the confusion, mislabelling, mispricing and all the other BS that is cropping up.
Sheesh.

What reason would you have to doubt that WickedFrags corals weren't brought in legally? The site doesn't claim that the corals within it require anything more than a regular export CITES from the country of origin, which most fish stores never receive aside from the CITES sticker on the box. It is the wholesaler or facilitator that needs to ensure that the proper CITES is in place. Now if Wickedfrags were to bring in corals that obviously require a re-export CITES permit to bring them from another country, then the paperwork would be their responsibility. On a side note, anyone could send you a CITES that had a couple Acropora sp. & Montipora sp. listed on it and you wouldn't know if those were for the corals in the bags sent to you. It's a faulted system, which makes it easy to get by.

If Wickedfrags were to post that their sunset Montipora was of Tyree lineage, I'd be the first to ask them for the paperwork.

I've been hearing the "so what, it's a stupid rule anyways" a lot lately, and you know what. I agree completely! Yes it's insane to think that the government has a problem with reefers trading/selling aqua-cultured corals. But you have to start somewhere with the rules that protect the animals don't you? Just because it maybe aqua-cultured doesn't change the fact that it may have come out of the ocean illegally (I don't think that's the case with all the corals in question).

Do you do this with all the other stores you purchase items from that look exotic or may be labeled as something it is not? When your buddy/neighbor "John Doe" frags his nice new exotic coral for you, do you ask him for proof of cities import?

I don't see many stores that import their own corals, let alone someone who frags their personal stock for resale accomidating you with this information.

How would you verify the coral in question is the actual one listed on the cities provided?

**EDIT: I see this was touched upon while I was taking my sweet time posting.**

I don't understand your post - naming a frag and assigning a price to it is not new and is done by essentially all online websites.

I do not try and associate corals with specific ID sites or anything like that, because that can be even more confusing and/or misleading. More intersting than Zoa No. 1, Zoas No. 2...........