there are two chain shops in edmonton that sell them, as curliqueue anemones. of course i'm not positive it's actually aptasia, but it looks the same, is just as harmful, and apparently spreads just as fast. some kind of pest anemone.

then there's the LFS in lacombe, ab, that sells a yellow tang for $60 and very much dead "live" rock for about $20/lb. and figures it's impossible to do a marine tank smaller than 40 gallons :rolleyes:

So, I was at J & L, this after noon and bought some Seahorses, just two thats all they had left. They said most of the people who bought them are beginners so they didn't expect a lot of success from these people. Oddly enough they say they never order Seahorses they just get them with their shipments, the seahorses are Mac certified so they know they were net caught.. (can't imagine it is difficult to do) so..... my question is, alot of people say no one should support a fish store that lets their suppliers substitute things or ship them things that they wouldn't normally order....Is anyone going to stop shopping at J&L?... didn't think so

BTW Indonesia has lost it's cites permit, the permit expired and will not be renewed, so brace yourself I imagine the prices of fish are going to go up.

ah, mac certification, that's a whole other ballgame. :rolleyes:

i was reading in the latest national geographic that while chiru (deer-like mammals from tibet) are protected under chinese law, chinese military men and politicians have been arrested for poaching them. how do we know mac is doing what they say they are doing?

i don't think it would be easy to stop livestock that wasn't ordered from coming in, but couldn't J&L avoid selling something like seahorses to less-experienced aquarists? i realize they've got a bottom line to worry about, but it would be nice if they could just say "no" :confused:

I sure would hope they could do that, but frankly, they can't ask for a resume before they sell hard to keep species... its a hard call... I figure even with out the Mac certification seahorses should be easy to catch, UNLESS they are a by catch of another method...

I don't mean to be the devils advocate here, just making a statement that even J&L gets stuff they don't order and they sell it to people who have $$... you would almost think they are running a business or something...

Funny how they can be MAC certified when J&L aren't even certified themselves???

:biggrin: i hear ya. gotta make money somehow right :neutral:

My understanding is that they are certified... hmm... velllly intellesting... (as the old german soldier used to say on laugh in)

TeeVee, MAC certification is for the wholesalers and collectors as far as I know. The idea is for retailers to sell MAC certified fish.

Indonesia has not lost it's CITIES permit. It has not reissued and it must not be high on the priority list for their gov't. It wouldn't be a first time that there's been a problem with CITIES.

that was saltcreep who was questioning that :smile:

I was told that it wont be renewed because of over fishing etc....