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Brad, I need to ask why my thread was deleted... I had posted about my order and had a friend upload pics for me and you deleted my thread I think that is TOTAL BS!!! I have no right to speak about being happy here?

I knew the mods would remove it eventually. To be clear, you have no rights period.

This thread will likely suffer the same fate.

I guess we can't admit we have Fragalot corals if we want to show our tanks around here. That's advertising.

S'ok,...all mine are from Fred's Corals. Nice place.

LMAO okay that perked me up a bit....

+100!!!!

mine are all from jorjef's closet....

Some of them are from me!!!

So it's you that has been stealing my Fraga... er Freds corals hey!! Hey I'm in Burc's corner, had a good laugh with him earlier about the drama

lol....yip sure is... maybe I should have said it was all from a local reefer and it wouldn't have been deleted...

Come on you guys. The mods on this site are pretty easy going. Comments like these would get you booted from sites like reef central.

It's not that bad that they don't want discussions about a company that cheated many of their members.

And for the record I also had an order from fragalot that I was happy with.

Nobody's trying to diss the mods,...we just think they are going a bit overboard with all this.

Like seriously,...most of my corals are from Fred's Corals. If I post pics and/or videos and happen to mention that will it get me deleted too?

This was my response in the other thread:

He is not a sponsor of this site (and for good reason IMO) and should not be getting all the publicity that he does. Honestly if people want to risk their money by buying from him that's their choice but people have a right to know that he usually messes up orders before they decide to place one with him.

I'm glad to hear he's trying to "make up" for frags that people ordered and he didn't have but shouldn't he tell people it's not in stock before they pay for it instead of sending a different replacement frag? Personly if I pay for something I want to get the item I paid for not something to make up for him not having it. Also there has been times were he didn't send the full order and you have to hound him for the rest of it. Not worth the hassle IMO but to each their own, but again people should go into an order with open eyes.

So what's his ID here? I have a few questions for him

His name is Gra.... ooops, hey almost gave it away.

Hahahaha

Which is why threads like this should be allowed and not deleted so people can hear both sides of the story and make an informed choice.
Yay Freedom !!!!

yes. Unless Fred is a sponsor, repeated exposure, good or bad, is not permitted. It's an advertising issue. We're allowing the group buys like we do for all suppliers. We're preventing advertising for or by non sponsors. We let it go a couple of times, but it's become excessive, and therefore removed. Nothing has been removed for opinions or any other reason other than advertising.

:mrgreen:

Yeah, advertising. Right. Got it.

Texting not on the site

Ya know, whatever. This is a private resource and we'll manage it at our discretion. If you don't like it, there are so many other boards....

but it is claimed this is for the best of canreefers... why not have a poll then? see how many ppl have had good/bad experiences... how many orders? and so on... ceriously would you be able to send out 4-500 frags a day and get them all right? ya he could use hiring another couple of ppl and form the production line and better organize everything... yeah it would be sweet if the corals weren't fresh cut and were fully encrusted and colored upon arrival... all bags were labeled, to help avoid sending wrong item in the rush to make sure the parcel is rdy for shipment before the cut off at the end of the day...but then overhead jumps up, and prices go back to retail... Look I am a business man my self and have my own plumbing company. Clearly burc makes a lot of his sales due to how insanely cheap a lot of this stuff is, other wise he is just another online company to cruise by... everyone of us had to of second guessed ourselves before purchasing... but we took the risk... some of us got the **** end of the stick... maybe I got lucky... but I have received prompt responses and even an email before my package arrived apologizing due to 2 frags missing from shipment and promised me they would be in the next shipment that I have already ordered of ultra grade clams and I believe he will... after all my last order only had 2 doa's and a 2 wrong corals and he sent them all to me just the other day and did not charge me for shipping hell I even added a few pieces as well... he has honestly been very professional with me and I will continue to go back!!! so maybe he made **** the bed in the past, but let me tell you taking that step originally can be very over whelming... But it seems to me that I am not the only satisfied person on here lately so maybe he is coming to better understand what it takes to keep us happy. Just my 2 cents... brad, christie and shelley.... maybe it would just take emailing burc and refreshing him about what happpened... who knows, maybe he might be able to give you some kind of a break to prove himself again to you? I have received many beautiful pieces for fractions of what could buy them for from a local reefer even... Anywho... enough out of me I need to get on with my day...

Ok, I can understand that... to an extent... maybe then we should just put from a "non sponsor" instead... if ppl rly want to know then they can find out via pm?

Just let the poor horse die.

sure, that works.


agreed.

YA YA MULE COME ON GET UP YA YAYA:deadhorse:

that would be acceptable. I think :) Or you can just voice your happiness within the permitted group buy.

wow there ya go.. problem solved:mrgreen:

I was not apart of a group buy.... I have purchased on my own...

Brad?

I like to solve problems :razz:

Then option #1 will work.

I need pumpkin brownies

Crap! I gotta go to the store....sigh

and do dishes

ROFL!!!

oh.. we wernt supposed to tell him that eh?

Wow...at least you are allowing group buys from a non-sponsor...I know another canadian forum that would never allow that.....you guys are lucky.

serious question tho brad and christie... if you are tired of seeing ppl ask about him and debates and so on... why not run a quick 3 day or one week poll and see statistically speaking how many ppl have had good and or bad experiences... and of which when did they order within last 6 months... 6 months to a year... 1-2yrs...3+yrs ago... sometimes it takes seeing real stats like this for some of us to realize that we were one of only a few that got the **** end of the stick or maybe it will show burc that, oh **** I need to step it up even more... and who knows... maybe can reef end up getting some more $ by gaining another sponsor again if he truly has turned it around... after all... if you were completely overwhelmed running a one (wo)man show and made some pretty big mistakes and had everyone ****ed at you, what would you do? most likely close up and avoid everything until things calmed down or run away panicing.... it's human nature when we are over whelmed... maybe burc has making up to do with some of you... but seriously... coming from a 28 yr old business owner who opened a plumbing company at the age of 25... I know what it's like to be in the shoes of 20 roles in your own company and it is hard!!!! I have since won awards for customer service values and run one of the most reputable plumbing companies in the lower mainland... it takes time to learn and many mistakes will be made along the way... but without making those mistakes how else do we learn?

But enough for me... attention now focused on the cup... GO CANUCKS GO!!!!

Here is my opinion, not related to the board. As hobbyists, we need to band together and consolidate experiences. When someone spends a lot of energy robbing people in the hobby, for and extended period of time, as hobbyists I think we should forever boycott that business. He ripped off friends and members here for a long time before he was removed. He did it on other boards. Now, suddenly, when we can save a buck or two, we forget all that bad stuff and send him bags of money, always hoping that the frags we ordered actually show up. I don't forget. I remember the people asking for help trying to recover anything they could from him. I remember the guys needed evidence for their lawyers. I remember the management nightmare we, as a board, had to endure. We stuck up for him, made excuses like maybe he has personal stuff going on, etc. But no action came at all. None. All the people that lost out, lost out for good. They don't forget.
I would like to believe that we, as hobbyists, remember on their behalf, and say no, we're not going to reward that type of vendor to save a buck. We should defend our friends and co-members, and not deal with this company.
But most don't care, they save a bunch of money on little pieces of coral bits. To hell with our friends and members that got robbed, because I can save money and get something for me.
Sorry, not me. I remember, and that company is not welcome here. If it were up to me, any mention of it would be removed. But we allow the group buys, because you're going to do it anyway, so if it receives some publicity, then we live with that in hopes that should it return to the past, we know right away.
We aren't running polls, we aren't voting on stuff. We are allowing group buys, and once in a while "advertising" threads slip through the cracks. but if we see the trend in "Yay vendor", we will take action and remove them.

That's my thoughts on it..

jjntm I find it interesting that this "pro-fragalot" thread is getting all this attention. I see by your join date that you weren't around when he was a sponsor so you probably aren't aware of all the grief before he was given the boot from Canreef. He always seems to be able to suck people in because he would be good for awhile and then not so good, then good, then really bad, etc. There is a reason Canreef pulled him as a vendor.
I think the people on this forum should support the businesses that have stayed consistent with good service & products over the years instead of always trying to jump to what seems like a better deal, especially from somebody with a well known poor track record.