so it looks like about 38% of you have or are geting the shot
and the rest of us are not.! wow thats got to say something right there.
i have made up my mind after seeing that , i am not going to get it !
i think in this world there is a far better chance of dying from something else, than h1n1 !

if only every one could learn to wash there hands after thay take a ****, none of this crap would be around

What I don't like is my wife was Forced to get the shot, both flu shots because of work. I feel it should be a personal choice. She is a Home care Aid, but still, it hould be the person's descresion to get the shot or not!!!


I am NOT getting it. I don;t agree with Flu shot's

the ignorance of some of these responses astounds me. I have zero faith in the general population. Anyone that will make a decision based on a canreef poll is an idiot. Make the decision for yourselfs but this vaccination isnt about you, you self centered idiots. Its about HERD IMMUNITY!!! People that dont get this shot are spreading the virus and killing people. Sounds fun eh?

:eek::eek::eek: Now we have all been told.....LMFAO

So, you move when the herd moves?

Ya.... That's kinda how the herd survives aint it? 500 million people died of small pox before the vaccine came out, and only the odd straggler who was too busy stairin at udders after it came out.

Sorry, I'm not livestock. I don't follow the herd becausae it's what the herd does. I am ME, I make my own choices. It's part of being an INDIVIDUAL.

Sure, maybe this N1H1 Vaccine is the best thing since sliced bread but I am not going to get it because someone says I HAVE to. in fact, if you tell me I have to do someting, I wil usually do just the opposite to prove to you that I don;t HAVE to.

The way the media hypes everyting up all the time just sickens me. yes they do treat the general populace like livestock. "Do what we say." "This is good fro you, that is bad" "Do this, Don;t do that"...............


OK, I'm gona stop myself here, I feel my blood pressure rising.

Ooooook

Wow.

I'm with Binare on this one. It's depressing that things have sunk to this level. I won't even comment on the asinine vaccine-autism connection - that's just ignorant sensationalism spurred on by the media (it's a conspiracy ;) )

I can certainly see how the media has influenced people's decisions here. In one breath people are saying I won't get the shot just because the media is telling me I need to and then in the other they're basing their decision on media (including the internet) sensationalism to justify not getting the shot.

As a healthcare professional with database and journal subscriptions I have access to basically every online journal you can think of. The crux of the quality studies clearly suggest that not getting vaccinated will increase death rates in those most susceptible.

Those people who want to act as vectors and not get vaccinated are not only making a decision for themselves but willfully choosing to put others at risk. That is a fact. Now if you're comfortable doing this then it's certainly your prerogative. But I can only hope that one of you doesn't visit with your nieces or nephews over the holidays and potentially kill one of them.

:lol!:

OK, Back on the Herd thing. What about Natural Selection and Survival of the fittest?? Where does that fit into?

In my opinion we have to exposed to these things in order to build immunity , the more we shelter ourselves the weaker we become . I f we are going to refer to livestock look at intensive livestock vs animals in the wild , a virus that hardly affects a wild animal will wipe out an entire confined herd. Our natural immunity is becoming weaker & weaker because we are naturally exposed to less & less.

My point Exactly :mrgreen:

yes, Modern Medicine have increased lifespan's tremedously, but theres still someting to be said for natural immunity. Like the good intensions mommy that allways disinfects little Billy's every bump and scrape. Now, Billy is a teenager, gets a cut, and doesn't treat it right away. it gets infected and he get's sick. Rushed to Emergency because his arm is turning Purple. Little extreme scenario, but you get the point.

You don't acquire immunity if you die. I'm done with this topic, do as you will but as was said earlier you could very well be the vector that kills somebody close to you. You go be the big bad rebel that you are and ride away into the sunset doing just what you want, a big self centered idiot. Don't just think about yourself, we've gotten prosperous as a race because people think about others.

on the flip side if the mass immunizations are weakening our natural immunities then who is doing the most harm , so crawl back in your bubble & don't forget to sterilize the door knob.

So you would be for small pox running rampant? Or measles killing children to "develop immunity"? Its a ridiculous argument. I grew up on a farm, ate dirt, never washed my hands, i know how that goes. This isnt even close to the same.

Do you people actually understand what a vaccine is? Seriously.

"Natural immunity"?

We're not talking about over use of antimicrobial agents in day-to-day products. We're talking about a vaccine. A vaccine allows you to be exposed to the pathogen so you can, in fact, develop antibodies to that pathogen. Beyond doing this would you rather we do something archaic like have H1N1, small pox, rubella, etc. parties like the chicken pox parties of yore?

The ignorance is just appalling.

I'm done with this discussion. Ignorant people appear to be happy living in their misinformed bubbles and perpetuating more misinformation. Carry on as you will. Then the rest of us can sleep soundly knowing that "natural selection" may very well be the best course of action. Hopefully the rest of us can stay far enough away from you in the meantime.

hear hear dude. This is really frustrating. Ignorant people with terribly uninformed perspectives. Thanks for the support

now i love that pic mrfish thats funny lol

all in all its a personal choice

I said I was done with this but I lied . . . sort of.

It would be in everybody's best interest to read this before developing an "opinion". And click on the links contained therein:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2525

What?! Science has something to do with medicine? With all the talk of sheep and livestock around here I was convinced medicine was based on agriculture.

The wife and I are getting our shots tomorrow. I'm not scared of getting the H1N1 virus because I'm strong enough to fight it off. I just want to do everything I can to protect my 5 month old daughter who doesn't qualify for the shot from getting sick.

The next time somebody asks me why I think representative democracy is flawed I'm just going to send them a link to this thread, draw your own conclusions.

Either you don't understand what the word respiratory means or we have very dissimilar anatomy. :)

I will get my needle when my "group" comes up. Unfortunatly I fall into the ..." If you are still alive you can get it" group then the gov'nt will let me get my needle

Canada's doctors told to stop using swine flu vaccine
 

Canada's doctors told to stop using swine flu vaccine

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H-1-N-what?

Funny how it's calmed down so fast

I know the media got pretty bored with blowing it all out of proportion huh? What have they moved onto? I haven't been watching the news lately.

All I know is that damn shot makes you feel like **** for 2 days after. If that's a little taste of the H1N1 virus I'd hate to see what the full blown version would feel like.

Must be a slow news day. When you delve a little deeper into this over-hyped news story this is what you find:

I love it when the news bastardizes something like this to drum up readership/viewership and then facilitates the uninformed to run with the story and gets plastered all over the internet. The article is intentionally ambiguous with its brevity. More fear mongering for more sales - it's grrrrrrrreat!

Doctors are trained and raised by bigfarma, medical magazines and media are controlled by them as well, they make money when people are sick, when people are healthy they make nothing.

Follow the money and learn the truth...

So, who wants a toxic mix in the blood stream?
Or a synthetic drug to treat (not cure) all you problems ?

Aspirin kills 400% more people than H1N1 swine flu.

The July 1998 issue of The American Journal of Medicine explains it as follows:

"Conservative calculations estimate that approximately 107,000 patients are hospitalized annually for nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID)-related gastrointestinal (GI) complications and at least 16,500 NSAID-related deaths occur each year among arthritis patients alone." (Singh Gurkirpal, MD, “Recent Considerations in Nonsteroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug Gastropathy”, The American Journal of Medicine, July 27, 1998, p. 31S)

So for every person the CDC claims was killed by H1N1 swine flu this year, common painkillers like aspirin have killed four! Yet you don't see the CDC, FDA, WHO or mainstream media running around screaming about the extreme dangers of aspirin, do you? All those deaths apparently don't matter. Only swine flu deaths lead to hysteria.

http://www.naturalnews.com/027548_sw...eath_risk.html

I dont really buy in to the 'swine flu hype', and I thought the media really blew it out of proportion. I rarely get sick(less than anually), and if I do, its just my body shutting down cause I have been eating poorly and not getting enough sleep for extended periods. I havent had a vaccination for 15 years.

My father heard about the deaths of younger (15-25 year old) males who were completely healthy without any medical conditions. I fit right into the middle of this category. He got pretty cheesed when he found out I didnt want to get the shot, and hounded me for awhile about it. School was lagging (I didnt put nearly as much effort into it as I should have for the first month and a half), and knowing H1N1 was pretty bad (you are barred from comming to school for a week+ if you get it, time I could not afford to miss), I then decided to get the shot. I actually managed to get it on the first day it was offered in my area, before they ran out (actually about 30 mins before they started turning people away).

I havent really seen many people sick lately... and getting the shot wasted about 3 hrs of my time (even though i was there early). Oh well, I guess it was better safe than sorry, I really just didnt want to risk missing 1wk + of school.

The only side effect, for me, from the shot, was a sore shoulder for a couple days (pretty sore actually). One 3 or 4 year old at the clinic i went to had an allergic reaction to the shot. Aside from that, no issues.

Also important to note (cause some people dont realise this): Even if you are vaccinated, and 'immune' to the virus, you can still be a carrier.

Cheers,

Chris

Most people who get H1N1 influenza will recover uneventfully after about a week of bad "flu" symptoms. About one in every several thousand people will get severely ill to the point of needing hospitalization or even ICU care and out of these hospitalized patients some will die.

Unlike the normal seasonal flu virus, the H1N1 has sporadically struck down healthy young people in their teens twenties and thirties. Perfectly normal healthy people have died within a few days of catching the H1N1 virus.

In the 1970's there was an elevated rate of Guillain-Barre syndrome (a type of paralysis which occurs sporadically and can also be caused by the flu virus itself) among recipients of the swine flu vaccine. For reasons related to statistical analysis which I won't go into, it cannot be determined whether the increased rate of Guillain-Barre syndrome was caused by the vaccine or not. If it was caused by the vaccine, the increased rate of paralysis was approximately one in one million.

The link between childhood vaccines and autism has been conclusively disproved. Despite this there are those who prefer to get their medical information from Oprah and Jenny MacCarthy rather than from infectious disease experts and epidemiologists at the CDC. I suppose if you think a big-breasted blonde is more of an expert on vaccine safety than hundreds of trained physicians and scientists you are welcome to your opinion.

The bottom line is I would rather accept a theoretical one-in-a-million risk from the flu vaccine, rather than a known one-in-several-thousand risk from the H1N1 virus. For me it is clear, I would not risk bringing the virus home to my kids.

There are those who believe that physicians are brainwashed by the greedy pharmaceutical companies. I know many physicians. Most if not all are sceptical of the information that pharmaceutical companies try to push. The flu vaccine is not a money maker for pharmaceutical companies, in fact they would make a lot more money if everyone caught H1N1 and required a Tamiflu (antiviral) prescription. Most docs are smart enough to decide for themselves regarding prescriptions, vaccines etc and the idea that docs are brainwashed by the pharmaceutical companies is laughable.

In summary we don't need to be panicked by H1N1. We also don't need to be panicked by the anti-vaccine wingnuts. Get your H1N1 vaccine if you would like to diminish the small but very real chance that you or a loved one could die from the H1N1 virus. For conspiracy theorists and amateur medical experts please stop spreading misinformation which could endanger others' health.