umm petting the fish... yeah pretty stupid i know. if i had a FOWLR tank a picasso would be the first thing i'd put in there. i absolutely love them.

you don't have any sumps eh? if you did i'd tell you to stick the crab in there.

i think someone was wondering about how humane freezing an animal to death is. i will confirm that it is. as your body gets colder, you simply fall asleep. this is why when they find someone who's frozen to death, the person is generally lying in the fetal position. curled up, yes, but not from the cold as much as the fact that it's just how people often sleep. of course there's no way to prove this also applies to crabs, but let's assume it does. apparently one of the easiest ways to go.

Yeah, about as stupid as me trying to kiss my cute little python. They carry salmonella, so no lips to my snake, that's for sure, even though I adore him :cool:

Nope. No sumps on the 2.5 or the 7 gal nanos :lol:

Not even one on the 42 hex. Kinda not techmologically evolved enough to have a sump on it. Didn't have a sump on our 180 when we had it either.

Actually, before you freeze to death your brain releases endorphins to help deal with the pain and you reach a state of euphoria. Apparently its a great way to go. I don't think it works that way for fish tho. Their brain isn't complex enough.

Christy :)

ah shoot first year psyc versus bio grad. i can't touch it :cool: my prof said it was an easy way to go, but he could very well be wrong. how about we agree not to kill critters at all. if it really comes down to it, then trigger food. :neutral:

well yes, it is an easy way to go. But there are many differences between a human and a fish.

oop right misread your post there. thought you said "apparently it's not a great way to go". good enough then! you present a valid argument. i guess the other question though is, if they aren't developed enough to have the mechanisms necessary to release endorphins, how do we know they are complex enough to feel pain? :razz:

Personally, with the animals in my care, I offer them something vicariously.... :neutral:

Optimum care, to the best of my ability.

These are cold blooded creatures we are talking about...They don't even feel the effects of temperature the same way we do. It is humane to put them down in the freezer because their metabolisms just slow down and stop. They don't get cold...

Stephen

Hmm.... They probably don't feel temps the exact way we do, but they must feel temps in some manner. If they didn't, the same species of crab/fish/coral/whatever would be found in a variety of different temp zones in the oceans and seas, which is not the case.

You're right that they have blood, and it's red, too. I found that out with the rock and a hard place killing method with that crab the other day :eek: :eek: :cry:

I suppose it's easier emotionally for some folks to put a creature in the freezer then take them out dead in a day or two, even though no one really knows how the freezing process actually affects the creature during the process. I, for one, would nevr do it that way. Seems like it would prolong death, especially compared to a single good whack that'll kill instantly. Geez, now I sound like a hitman, which, is not even near how I feel about killing animals :frown:

Tried to catch the second crab in our reef last night, but was unsuccessful. Then I had bad dreams all night about different methods of killing the poor guy and the thing just would not stop moving no matter what was done to it :cry: :cry: :cry:

What a gruesome f**cking topic :cry: :exclaim: :exclaim:

Beverly

Think of a snake, it gets cold it slows down and goes to sleep, when the morning comes it layes on the warm rocks or soil to adsorb heat so it can move quickly again.. the snake isn't in pain every time night comes is it? this would be the same for a fish.. as the temp drops it gets slugish and falls asleep well befor the point it is frozen.

Steve