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Aquattro 01-23-2010 01:43 AM

And, to add further, I certainly appreciate Marie's input, anyone looking at this should have multiple views for review.
And as others (Myka comes to mind) can attest, feeding raw is certainly a commitment and requires care and planning, from food prep, selection, cleanliness and a willingness to go to the grocery store if you forgot to thaw dinner. I have to rotate containers, keep track of dates, long term variety, dog weight, etc. It can be a fair bit of extra work over scooping a cup into the kibble bin. And perhaps for results that might not be immediately obvious (other than poop scooping!!).
and if you get to absorbed into typing about it, the dogs could end up eating butter chicken! Be right back.....doh

Funky_Fish14 01-23-2010 01:48 AM

Also - you cant tell what a human is eating just by looking at them either... that goes for ANY animal really... so what the heck is this 'you cant tell the difference from looking at them'? Other than being on a completely improper diet, most animals look about the same even on different diets... INCLUDING people. And we are no more/less developed than any other species out there... our brain is developed, we stand and have opposable thumbs... we also have back problems because we stand (which our bone structure is not specifically designed for)... So I do not see how 'appearance' is a good basis for saying raw is better or worse.

And many people do live to be 100 eating mc-donalds all their lives... but just cause thats true does not make it a good idea.

The vast majority of people feeding raw prefer it to poor kibble... I highly doubt this is any sort of placebo effect.

Cheers,

Chris

Funky_Fish14 01-23-2010 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Myka (Post 484444)
Never mix kibble with raw food as they are digested at different speeds. I believe raw is digested in 4 hours, where kibble takes 8 hours.

Just to clarify, this would mean never at the same time... although you can feed say, raw in the morning, and kibble at night. Like Myka said it has to do with digestion rates... provided either is digrested before the other is ingested... there is no problem with mixing.

Aquattro 01-23-2010 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funky_Fish14 (Post 484462)
Just to clarify, this would mean never at the same time... although you can feed say, raw in the morning, and kibble at night. Like Myka said it has to do with digestion rates... provided either is digrested before the other is ingested... there is no problem with mixing.

Just to clarify further, after much longer threads on dog specific boards, lots of raw feeders do (or claim to) feed at the same time and report no issues.
Goes to show that the science here is a bit young :)

but better safe than sorry, I wouldn't feed raw on top of kibble..

StirCrazy 01-23-2010 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 484464)
Just to clarify further, after much longer threads on dog specific boards, lots of raw feeders do (or claim to) feed at the same time and report no issues.
Goes to show that the science here is a bit young :)

but better safe than sorry, I wouldn't feed raw on top of kibble..

ya I was just going to say, there re several people on the GR board that feed raw/kibble mix, same dish same time and they have for years.. sooooo.. why knows.

Hey Brad you feeding the puppy raw yet?

I got new pics of Kona now.. I can't believe the difference in 1 month.. you don't notice it till you look at pictures.

Steve

Aquattro 01-23-2010 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by StirCrazy (Post 484484)

I got new pics of Kona now.. I can't believe the difference in 1 month.. you don't notice it till you look at pictures.

Steve

lol, I notice it coming home from work!!

Ya, she's weaning over to raw now, although she's missing a few teeth :)

StirCrazy 01-23-2010 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 484487)
lol, I notice it coming home from work!!

Ya, she's weaning over to raw now, although she's missing a few teeth :)

I am going to have to go get another bag of regional red soon. burnt through about 1/2 a bag in a month, but I just upped the food from 1.5 cups a day to 2.5 cups. little bugger won't stop growing :mrgreen:

Steve

marie 01-23-2010 03:22 AM

Having seen what passes through dogs digestive tracts over the years I have a hard time believing they can't handle eating raw food and kibble at the same time :lol:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funky_Fish14 (Post 484460)
Also - you cant tell what a human is eating just by looking at them either... that goes for ANY animal really... so what the heck is this 'you cant tell the difference from looking at them'? Other than being on a completely improper diet, most animals look about the same even on different diets... INCLUDING people. And we are no more/less developed than any other species out there... our brain is developed, we stand and have opposable thumbs... we also have back problems because we stand (which our bone structure is not specifically designed for)... So I do not see how 'appearance' is a good basis for saying raw is better or worse....

Cheers,

Chris

But the basis for the arguments people give for feeding raw is that a dog has a shinier coat, don't shed as much, have less allergies ect. I have not yet seen that myself.

I can't comment on dogs having more stamina and energy because I need them to stand still and therefore have no idea if its true or not

and you can tell by "looking" that some kids have been raised on mickey dee's hamburgers

Myka 01-23-2010 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 484464)
Just to clarify further, after much longer threads on dog specific boards, lots of raw feeders do (or claim to) feed at the same time and report no issues.

It`s along the same line as humans we`re supposed to eat (preferably raw) fruit and veggies 1 hour before or 4 hours after any meats, grains, etc because of different digestion rates. However there are `no issues` there is optimal absorbency when consumed `properly`.

StirCrazy 01-23-2010 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marie (Post 484502)
But the basis for the arguments people give for feeding raw is that a dog has a shinier coat, don't shed as much, have less allergies ect. I have not yet seen that myself.

I can't comment on dogs having more stamina and energy because I need them to stand still and therefore have no idea if its true or not

and you can tell by "looking" that some kids have been raised on mickey dee's hamburgers

I can't quite agree with that being from RAW diet, people who also switch to a high quality kibble, report the same things. I think it is from moving from crap to good stuff weather it be raw or kibble.

Steve


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