Off and on since 1973 under gravel filter wood air stone skimmer and reddish rock. Flame angle 150 got all my stuff from Ancient Mariner on Main Street in Vancouver. I even had a Hawksbill sea turtle that they gave me as the came in by mistake and I raised it until it started chasing my flame gave it to Van aquarium. Used to do some water changes with ocean water warmed up. Fun then still is

I've got about $2500 tied up in shopping carts right now, definite "maybe"