Still old school here, sign me up.

doh! I got busted for trying to hang out with the cool kids..again. :cry:

I think ill fit in here

4 bulb tek fixture on one tank

72" coralife aqualight with burnt out LEDs on the other

4 54 watt t-5s,you'll have to pry them from my cold dead hands:biggrin:

Wait... Can I still be in this club if I own an led fixture but don't use it?

That depends. Which fixture and why are you not using it?

Warm your hands under the T5s. Can't do that with LEDs, suckas!

Dam right!

Some sort of fancy 144w fixture

Not using it because I like my t5ho

You're in!

I may as well join bumping up my fixture from 590w aqua medic to a 1170w halide t5 setup. I may have to invest in a solar battery system lol


Sent from my porcelain aquarium

I do have one of those portable iPhone solar chargers that I put under my halides LOL

free bump for a good deal!

Do I get a snazzy badge

yes! But you have to print it out yourself. This is the, "losers" without LED club after all.

Looks like this guys scrap booking tonight.

Can I get a half loser with half led club?

~Tony

Some of my equipment has LED lights as indicators etc. Can I still join your club?

Ima put led flashers in my badge

It's losers without led! Shawn..... Go away mh+t5' er!

~Tony

Feeling the love.

I believe it was established that auxiliary LEDs like moonlights are permitted. However, primary LEDs, such ones ones used for growing are not permitted. It is clearly in our charter*

*if we had a charter.

Can I join? I can assure you no one is as anti-LED as me in this forum :smile:

We are not necessarily anti-LED in this club. We just simply do not own LEDs. There's a difference :biggrin:

I don't have LEDs, but I recognize their benefits and can appreciate why someone would want to run LEDs. LEDs are not terribly. They won't crash your tank, they won't make your take look like poop. LEDs work, there are LOTS of nice tanks running LEDs.

So can i get a badge or not?

~Tony

I appreciate the technology too and LED "IS" the future that is for sure (being an electrical engineer, I love LEDs) and would choose my house lighting with LED instead of CFL. BUT, I am an anti-LED in this hobby because although I dont overlook the benefit of it (dissipates less heat and the no more bulb replacement) but I don't support some of the more stronger claims by many hobbyist like "saves money" and "equivalent replacement of MH". Ofcourse different hobbyist have different preference but don't you think the usual lines of "get an LED, we are in the new era!" is a bit over rated? :P Instead, it should be something like "go with what you like and here are the pros/cons of each type"? Now can I join? :mrgreen:

do you own an LED fixture?

It doesn't sound to me like you're anti-LED then. it sounds like you are anti-People-Who-Own-LEDs :lol:

Under the right circumstances, LEDs can save you money. No one has ever told me that LEDs are an equivalent replacement for MH. In fact, everyone (including LED owners) typically tell me that they can NOT replace MH.

You don't own an LED fixture so you're in :biggrin:

Can I at least get half a badge for only using half led?

~Tony

Yaaaaay :D

Well, honestly, LED will eventually take over. So as electric vehicles. But right now, hybrid is, IMO, the best option. People were very excited when electric vehicles started coming to the market but soon got disappointed and came the hybrid which people are more willing to buy. Some time in the future, people will get used to the LEDs and to them, growth from bulbs like T5 and MH will be extremely irrelevant, maybe they will even claim to have better growth with future LEDs than MH just like people now claim to have better growth with these instead of CFL. Like I always say, its all about adaptability :mrgreen:

How about we compromise. We'll let you have the 'L' in "LWL"

we are a very inclusive club. Just look at our founding member, he runs LEDs.

I'll take what I can get!

~Tony

I hope i'm still welcome to stop by for a chat. I won't however wear my badge. It's in my sock drawer in case I need it again someday.

Speaking of chat, we are about due for wings.

I smell discrimination against hybrid users! NO NO WE WONT GO!

Maybe you guys need your own club (support group) ? "Hipsters With Hybrids"

Where did you get'em? They were getting so hard to find for a while there...

250s from Dennis. You can get these all over the place they've just become expensive. I used to pay $80 now they're around $100. Dennis wanted these gone so they were very deeply discounted.