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kien 05-10-2013 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MMAX (Post 817613)
Just like mine too. Countryside ditches, trips out west to the mountains and best of all co-workers with huge rock piles on their land. I would be interested to see how many pounds of rock I hauled to build mine--probably a couple of tonnes at least. I have nothing against Burnco but do yourself a favour and save yourself a pile of cash. Rock from these places cost a fortune.

+1

I also dug up a lot of medium sized boulders when I dug out the pond that is good for landscaping. I also found a construction site near my house that had a pile of boulders that they dug up and needed to get rid of. They were dirty and covered in mud/dirt but they were free!! :biggrin:

Dez 05-10-2013 04:39 PM

A long plank is your friend. Back up the truck to the boulder, then roll it up into the truck.

IanWR 05-10-2013 07:17 PM

We found the pot lifter (http://www.leevalley.com/en/garden/p...2,2180&p=63382) to be a useful tool to gather/place rocks. With two people you can move fairly large rocks, and it even helps move rocks by yourself. Btw, a pleasant bonus to find pond chat on a reef site. :)

- Ian

kien 05-10-2013 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by IanWR (Post 817652)
We found the pot lifter (http://www.leevalley.com/en/garden/p...2,2180&p=63382) to be a useful tool to gather/place rocks. With two people you can move fairly large rocks, and it even helps move rocks by yourself. Btw, a pleasant bonus to find pond chat on a reef site. :)

- Ian

whoa! That pot-lifter looks brilliant!

kien 05-14-2013 04:45 AM

and we're back!
 
The pond is now back online! Granted it doesn't really look any different than before :lol:

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kien 05-14-2013 04:51 AM

Koi!
 
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Dez 05-14-2013 01:25 PM

Nice Kien! I love the pic of the koi just about to take in a mouthful of food. Was that covered structure there behind the deck before? Looks like it's a completely waterproof roof. When did you build that? Nice pictures.

kien 05-14-2013 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dez (Post 818311)
Nice Kien! I love the pic of the koi just about to take in a mouthful of food. Was that covered structure there behind the deck before? Looks like it's a completely waterproof roof. When did you build that? Nice pictures.

Thanks! That's my gazebo that I built last fall. Yes the roof is waterproof, covered with semi-transparent polycarbonate panels. I still need to finish painting it. Plus I intend to cover some of the windows with plexiglass and some with bug screen/mosquito netting.

FishyFishy! 05-14-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kien (Post 818313)
Thanks! That's my gazebo that I built last fall. Yes the roof is waterproof, covered with semi-transparent polycarbonate panels. I still need to finish painting it. Plus I intend to cover some of the windows with plexiglass and some with bug screen/mosquito netting.


That looks great! That will be a nice little chill area for the summer for sure!

kien 05-14-2013 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by FishyFishy! (Post 818315)
That looks great! That will be a nice little chill area for the summer for sure!

Yup that's the plan :-). I found that we couldn't sit back there for a long period of time because we would just get roasted by the sun! You've seen my back yard, it's pretty exposed there. Or at least it was :-)

lastlight 05-14-2013 03:11 PM

not the most flattering shots of those hungry gaping suckers lol. you got that put back together fast it looks great man.

Lexy 05-14-2013 03:24 PM

Koi Pond
 
Hello Kein, I really enjoy reading this thread. Thanks for sharing and I m a koi man lol. I do own a koi pond too and I ve been looking for a Japanese pagoda ( not Chinese) similar to the pic here. Does anyone know where about I can purchase it, I don't mind making a trip to Calgary or Vancouver.

kien 05-14-2013 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 818330)
not the most flattering shots of those hungry gaping suckers lol. you got that put back together fast it looks great man.

ya, it seems any time I photograph them they are stuffing their faces!

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Originally Posted by Lexy (Post 818331)
Hello Kein, I really enjoy reading this thread. Thanks for sharing and I m a koi man lol. I do own a koi pond too and I ve been looking for a Japanese pagoda ( not Chinese) similar to the pic here. Does anyone know where about I can purchase it, I don't mind making a trip to Calgary or Vancouver.

Thanks :-) You should post some pictures of your pond! I like how you are picky about your pagodas :lol: That is a nice looking pagoda though! I saw one like that once at Sunnyside garden centre in Calgary. They have the largest selection of garden ornaments.

lastlight 05-14-2013 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kien (Post 818333)
You should post some pictures of your pond!

http://www.myalbum.ca/Foto-YETESZFQ.jpg

looks like a big one!

kien 05-14-2013 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 818336)

ya, that's why I asked them to post the pics. That pond looks insane and I'm sure lots of other people would love to see it. This is why we have a Pond/Koi forum!! :biggrin:

Oilers 05-14-2013 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kien (Post 818337)
ya, that's why I asked them to post the pics. That pond looks insane and I'm sure lots of other people would love to see it. This is why we have a Pond/Koi forum!! :biggrin:

That pond is absolutely amazing. I was there last weekend. You should ask him to post some pictures of his koi. Man, some of them are as big as my thighs!!

kien 05-14-2013 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilers (Post 818340)
That pond is absolutely amazing. I was there last weekend. You should ask him to post some pictures of his koi. Man, some of them are as big as my thighs!!

I can tell from those pictures that some of those fish weigh about as much as I do :surprise:

Lexy 05-14-2013 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kien (Post 818333)
ya, it seems any time I photograph them they are stuffing their faces!



Thanks :-) You should post some pictures of your pond! I like how you are picky about your pagodas :lol: That is a nice looking pagoda though! I saw one like that once at Sunnyside garden centre in Calgary. They have the largest selection of garden ornaments.

Thanks I give them a call. Look like someone is already ahead of me lol.

kien 05-14-2013 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lexy (Post 818344)
Thanks I give them a call. Look like someone is already ahead of me lol.

What would really be nice is a pond journal where you can share all the details of your pond! How deep is it?? Do you over winter outside?? How often do you feed? What do you feed?? How do you battle algae?? Is that an aerator I see?? Where do you get your koi from?? Don't answer those questions here. Start a thread!! :biggrin:

MMAX 05-14-2013 11:44 PM

You know of any places to get some nice larger sized koi at a decent price?

AquaticFinatic 05-15-2013 02:29 AM

I apologize if you have mentioned before but how do you winter your fish? I lost all mine this year so am after some tips. Same with des if he sees this. Tia

Trabby 05-15-2013 03:42 AM

Looks great!! I've had spent mothers day getting my waterfall an pond back online..... Love this time of year. We had 6 baby fish overwinter :lol:

kien 05-15-2013 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MMAX (Post 818433)
You know of any places to get some nice larger sized koi at a decent price?

Hmm, that kinda depends what you consider a "decent" price :lol: I've noticed over the years that Koi prices are all over the place. There are inexpensive "mutts" that are still attractive but not "show quality". Then there are true "show quality" koi that are insanely priced. Anyway, the best selection of koi in Calgary so far is the big box store. They have some pretty big koi. Again, I don't know if you'd consider them decent priced or not :-) Most of my koi I got a few years ago when they were 6"-8" and ranged in price from $11 to $100. A baby koi can easily double in size in a year! Feed them good high quality high protein food a lot and they will grow big and fast!

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Originally Posted by AquaticFinatic (Post 818460)
I apologize if you have mentioned before but how do you winter your fish? I lost all mine this year so am after some tips. Same with des if he sees this. Tia

Sorry to hear about your loss :( It's tough to lose koi because they are so personable. I over winter my fish outside in the pond and have been donig this for 4 years now with great success. For me, what has worked out well is to keep the surface of the pond agitated and moving, over the winter. This alone helps to keep the pond from freezing solid. On the colder days and nights the pond will still freeze down about 2 to 3" but this is a good thing. It helps to insulate the pond and keep windchill from continuing to cool and freeze the pond. The pump in the pond moving the water under the 3" of ice helps to keep the pond from freezing solid. Kinda like how parts of the river don't freeze over the winter because it's moving. In addition to this, it is very very very important to float a de-icer on your pond. You can buy pond de-icer's at your LFS. Note that these are simply meant to keep a small hold in the ice and not to warm the entire pond! This helps to keep a hole in the ice so that gas can escape from the pond. And finally one other thing I make sure of is that the very bottom of the pond, at 24" down is not disturbed by the pump. The fish will huddle down there over the winter and hibernate. It's warmest down there thanks to the heat of the ground. You don't want to mix water that's down there with water from the upper part of the pond that's colder. When I circulate the pond water with my winter pump I place it at the top 1 foot shelf in my pond (where my marginal plants normally sit).

Something else that I've done in the past as well is to build a hoop house over top of the pond. It's essentially a PVC tube structure (the frame), with clear pvc plastic draped over it. This acts as a green house for the pond over the winter and worked out well. However, it is added maintenance to set it up every fall and take it down every spring. Both methods (with and without the hoop house) worked for me.

Hope that helps.

Delphinus 05-15-2013 03:52 AM

Do you lose a lot to evaporation over the winter? The air is so dry here..

kien 05-15-2013 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Delphinus (Post 818482)
Do you lose a lot to evaporation over the winter? The air is so dry here..

Actually no, I don't find that I lose much water at all. I think once the ice forms over the pond that helps to keep the wind off of it which cuts down on evap.

Dez 05-15-2013 01:22 PM

My regime is slightly different than Kien's. I take the styrofoam out of the floating deicer heater and let it sink to the bottom. It only kicks on at 7c. Then I run an airstone on the first shelf 2 ft away from the heater which brings the warmer water up. I keep the air pump in the shed and cover in with a large Rubbermaid container and blanket so that the heat that the pump generates stays in the Rubbermaid and gets pumped to the pond. I do not run a water pump. When it gets really cold, I will shovel snow onto the frozen surface to help insulate the whole pond. This has worked well for the past 2 winters since I've had my big pond.

Oilers 05-15-2013 04:01 PM

Kien,
What type of filter media do you use? Can you show us a couple pictures of the filter system?

kien 05-15-2013 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilers (Post 818562)
Kien,
What type of filter media do you use? Can you show us a couple pictures of the filter system?

My filtration is fairly simple. It amounts to a giant canister filter built by Laguna called a Pressure Flo.

http://www.aquapetbargain.com/photo/...ond-Filter.jpg

I have a pond pump that sucks up water and debris from the bottom of the pond and pushes it into the canister filter. The canister filter has foam pads for mechanical filtration. It also contains bioballs for biological filtration. It also has a UV sterilizer built in to nuke algae spores.

I also have bio balls in my water fall. In addition, this year I am installing an in-pond skimmer that skims the surface for debris like leaves and dead plants. I've managed to get by the past few years without a skimmer but having one will make your life a lot easier. I am constantly netting/scooping gunk like dead leaves off the bottom of the pond. This is fairly important because there is no clean up crew in the pond! Those dead leaves will just rot down there. A pond skimmer (either in-pond or out of pond) will go a long ways in helping to keep this debris from accumulating in your pond.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/xHm7GcaUJag/hqdefault.jpg

Oilers 05-15-2013 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kien (Post 818564)

I have a pond pump that sucks up water and debris from the bottom of the pond and pushes it into the canister filter. The canister filter has foam pads for mechanical filtration. It also contains bioballs for biological filtration. It also has a UV sterilizer built in to nuke algae spores.

I've read that ideally the pump should be able to pump half of the pond's volume every hour. Does that apply to all the pumps? What brand of pump would you recommend or use?

kien 05-15-2013 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Oilers (Post 818568)
I've read that ideally the pump should be able to pump half of the pond's volume every hour. Does that apply to all the pumps? What brand of pump would you recommend or use?

ya, that's a good rule of thumb. In the case of ponds and koi husbandry, definitely the more the better. Koi are messy fish! As an example, my canister filter (Pressure Flo) and its accompanying pump (Laguna max-flow) is rated for 3200 gallons per hour. My pond is roughly 1000g. The pump has worked flawlessly for 3 years now.

http://www.transaquariumsonline.com....a%20maxflo.jpg

In the winter I take my canister filter off-line and store it, but I keep the pump on to circulate and move the water in the pond. The canister filter is not needed in the winter because the fish don't eat so they don't generate much waste and algae is dormant so there's not much to clean.

This is just one of many different methods of filtration. I also maintain a pond at my parents house and there they use an above ground box/water fall filter.

http://www.lagunaponds.com/lagunaeng...rfalls5000.jpg

It works just as well. The key is, whatever you decide to use, make sure it's easy for you to maintain. My canister filter is nice because it has a backwash port which I can dial to when I need to flush out the filter pads. Then there are handy handles that I plunge on the filter that I can use to clean the pads of debris. The gunk gets washed out of the canister and into my garden/flow beds.

Reef Pilot 05-15-2013 07:25 PM

Pond filter and pump
 
We inherited a pond when we bought our house a few years ago. It has this big filter box (says screenex on top) about 3 ft wide, and this rather large pump in the sump portion of the pond. No idea what they are, but they just keep going,... no maintenance.
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kien 05-15-2013 07:45 PM

I need to see pictures of this pond! Preferably in your pond thread :-)

kien 07-11-2013 05:44 AM

Some photos of the pond.
 
Lilies have been blooming for a little while now. It's hard to photograph them because they only bloom for like 6 hours out of the whole day and right in the middle of the day when the sun his high in the sky blasting them with light. Great for them, not so great for photo taking :neutral: Anyway, managed to catch these ones on a cloudy day.

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Any here's that gazebo that I talked about putting up last year.

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In a couple of weeks I hope to start working on screening off all the windows and doors of the gazebo with bug screen.

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kien 07-11-2013 05:48 AM

A few more photos of the pond
 
Full Pond View!

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Dez 07-11-2013 01:48 PM

Awesome stuff Kien!

Reef Pilot 07-11-2013 01:51 PM

Beautiful!!

FishyFishy! 07-11-2013 01:59 PM

Dang you and your back yard of beauty!!




Jealous.

michika 07-11-2013 03:03 PM

Wow, that is just stunning. The photos are great.

gregzz4 07-12-2013 04:34 AM

Looks soooo relaxing Kien !!
Good place to hide from tank issues
Great pics

The Grizz 08-08-2013 04:58 AM

AMAZING Kiener simply amazing!! Hope my pond turns out half as nice as yours.


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