good stuff
 

help a lot!!!!!!!!!!!
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For those that are interested, I (as well as some other members who have volunteered) will be working on a CanReef version of a red list designed to help newbies make informed decisions about stocking their tank. Hopefully some more experienced reef keepers may even learn a thing or two as well. It will take some time to get the list, which I remind you guys is not a be all end all list.

Reef keeping would never advance if there weren't people out there willing to take some chances and push the envelope, but (imo) many of those attempts should be left for the more advanced aquarists who have a better chance of success. I think it would be great if more LFSs were proactive on this subject and only brought "red list" livestock in on special order. I think it starts with us, the reef keepers.

thank you very much :) kind words from a kind person :)

Marie,
i thank you for your apology, and please don't think you were the only one making trouble.


People, i know i did go a little bit extreme, and my large letters were a bit immature,
but i was tired of trying to get info from this thread and having to read all this terrible fighting and i wanted to get a point across.

im excited for this list and cant wait to see how it turns out :)

thank you :)

Nazerine,

I apologize for being condescending and immature towards you. By no means was this called for and I hope you can accept my apology. I let my emotions get the best of me in what was a "heated debate"
Again I apologize.

Also I have read further in this thread and thank you for pointing out it was the STRAW that broke the camels back and not the needle:redface::lol:

now off to address the reply by Myka and put this "debate" to rest. Actually I will simply just say this....Each is entitled to his/her own opinion....You know mine and I know yours. I will try and be less an "extremist" :confused: but am not one to be quiet for long when I see ignorance (even including my own Nazerine)

Nice to see things have settled down and people are actually using their words to explain themselves and not be taken inappropriately. GOLD STARS for everyone!!!!!! Especially Karazy... you in fact seem to be the sanest and mature person of us all including myself :wink:


B.S.

If you ever have to opportunity to meet Evan (karazy) you will be dumb founded by his maturity and eagerness to learn. He volunteers at one of the LFS my hubby and I deal with and it is so refreshing to see a young and budding reefer. Can any one of you remember a day you went to work for free somewhere on a weekend? He has a smile form ear to ear while he scrapes algae and target feeds corals. I even feel comfortable asking him questions about my reef. I was going to see if he can tank sit for me if we take off with our dogs for a day or two...:wink: He would get paid well.

Awwwwwwwwww... :hug:

Reminds me of me in 1985 when I worked at Newton Pets for just experience and maybe some credit for fish. :) I cleaned tanks and bagged fish. No salt tanks though. Not many reefers back then.

Well I figure I'll chime in...

I currently have a CBB, Cleaner Wrasse and Sandsifting Star. I have two Percs, not sure if they were wild caught or captive bred. I also have a Naso in a 75 which some people say it too small for him. Currently, all of them are healthy, eating well and disease free. I'll consider all of them to be a success after a years time.

I think it is important to be a responsible reefer, however at the end of the day, if I see any item in a store that looks unhealthy and I feel I have a chance of saving it, I'll do it.

If I see something at the store that I've wanted for awhile and it is healthy and eating, I'll do it as well, as long as I feel I am capable and my tank is capable of supporting it. That's why I don't have a Mandarin Dragonet yet, but I plan to add one in the future.

The only way to change what fish are on the market or not, imo at least, is to work with the government, CITIES, to stop them from issuing permits to import/export certain fish, inverts and corals. If there is enough scientific evidence to support it, although it may be a lot of work, that is the best way to go about it. Between posters here and on other popular message boards, starting a petition to outlaw the importation of certain fish/inverts/coral shouldn't be overly difficult and a letter from one or more marine biologists would help.

This was one of the funniest threads I have ever read in my life. I have come to one conclusion. EVERYBODY IS CRAZY!!!!! I love it. Keep up the good comedy. IMO, the list is a bad idea. Education is what everybody needs. I am sure that none of you are Marine Biologists (not a fact, just a guess. Don't beat me up 3mta3) and what we have heard or read is all just opinions. Please only go with the facts. It is pretty much morally wrong to keep any animal as a pet but we do. Do your best to get educated and make smart educated decisions. Take it or leave it. Just another opinion.

Your right about everyone being crazy :mrgreen:

But I strongly disagree about there not being much fact in these kinds of threads. A lot of what people are giving here is either fact or personal experience which is also fact. In fact, personal experience is usually the best way to learn. And you don't have to be a biologist. My older brother is a marine biologist (who I rarely ever see anymore :( ) and would be the first to tell you that unless they work closely with the aquarium world (which he does not), they are not a great resource. When he had a tank going a few years back, he used to always ask me for advice. Aquariums are a whole different world ;)

But I do get your point...and agree with a lot of it (other than it being morally wrong to own pets).

O.m.g.

Ok everybody....:grouphug:

Hey... I never see those smiley faces... where did you get those?

Click the "more" at the bottom of the smilie window.:peace:

Aww thanks! The first internet apology in YEARS! :mrgreen:

I forgive you, and hope that you can help contribute to this forum more now that you are a member :party:

Funny how smilies can redirect a thread to more positive things...:laluot_31::laluot_31:

That is soo cute!!!

Oh no...what have we started. I always wondered why you never used all the cool smiles.









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There are just too many to look through and I can never find one to express how I may or may not be feeling... no smilies in this post.

QUOTE=GreenSpottedPuffer;403771]Oh no...what have we started. I always wondered why you never used all the cool smiles.









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This thread is awethum man! And I love similies (as opposed to metaphors).

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:banplease: :kev: :violin: :brick:

Yeah, we have pushed back all that evil. I am jealous wish I could do more than just type. LOL

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Keep your hands off my staff. I'm watching you.

I would ask you to tank sit for me, but you have enough on your plate... plus you would be late:wink: Funny how you lurk in the shadows, ready to punce on your prey...

Can you come pick up your goats out of my backyard by the way... I'm sick of sending the dogs off to chase them away.:lol:

Red list
 

I was looking for info on my fish today and found this page. It is a begining.

www.iucnredlist.org

Mexican Turbo Snails - Turbo spp. (Subtropical and do not survive well with normal reef tank temperatures)

Margarita Snails - Tegula funebralis (Slowly 'cook' to death in normal reef aquarium temperatures)

Long Nosed Filefish - Oxymonocanthus longirostris (natural diet is acropora polyps)

Cone shells - Conus Spp. (deadly)

Blue Ring Octopus - Hapalochlaena maculosa (deadly)

Harlequin Shrimp - Hymenocera sp. (need to eat starfish to survive)