althought my experience with the W-LAN feature has been bad, that is only one feature of the unit and my fault for not knowing how to setup wireless networks. every other feature on this unit has been amazing and extrememly easy to setup and use. everything has its minor flaws and in my experience it has been the 'lack of experience' with the unit that i run into issues.. once i found my way into the menus it was easy. there does sound like there is an issue with the power bars so far with lighting and relays sticking but i'm sure it will be resolved.

although i have sounded negative on this post lately with the WLAN feature, i am still a major supporter of the controller itself. the quality of the components is amazing. i believe the controller will have to get a track record in north america before a strong statement can be made of it being better then all the rest. i post my issues on here, be it negative or positive, so that other people that may have the same issue will resolve it or understand the unit better not to attack the controller and convince others to not buy it or vice versa.

we all have it easy compared to Fudge. when he got the first controller before everyone there was not this post to go into to ask for help or input and all the manuals were in german. i got alot of insight into the controller before buying it from following his experiences. so now that i have blabbed on forever, my point being is that this controller is a very good investment and i hope that my negative issues do not sway people from researching it further

Very well put Colin
The purpose of forumS like this would be to discuss ,new ways ,methods ,news & equipment ,as I have mentioned before as a wholesaler /distributor our loyalty is to the consumer ,if a product ,does not work ,there is no point for us to support it we neither manufacture ,nor the design it,if the consumer not satisfied with the product makes it imposible for us to carry that brand,therefore the reason for having people test products,......
Dave as far as the other post ,I still stand behind all those statements,as far as the quality of the unit & the probes ,it does not take much to see if it's suprier than other brands.
As far as all the other statements ,still nothing has changed either,We already have users that have installed the W-LAN already ,as colin stated himself the fact that he has not installed the W-LAN ,does not mean that there is a problem with this module however if there were mutiple people unable to calibrate their probes & the face plate of thier units were falling off @ the same time as well ,I guess that would have been a problem:wink:
Dave if what you are using serves it's purpose ,there is no reason changing or considering another system ,however for all the profilux users here & also in Germany& other countries ,I am sure they had they own reasons
to pick profilux over other brands based on their own research as It was the case for us as a company.
you might say , we are being biased to the product we carry ,the resean is we commit many hours of research and testing of the products we carry to assure our customers are happy & that is that ,not because we manufacture them.
In any case colin please keep us posted of your progress
btw ,what is your ORP reading now?
Doug what's up my friend ,you have been quiet for a while:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

my redox is 321mv right now. it definitely went up the couple days after i posted about it.

quick question for anyone. i have my tunzes setup to the controller and i have them set to random but i just noticed that one turned off i disconnectd the cable from the controller and the pump comes on but when i hook it up it turns off again. does someone know if turning the pump off is part of the random generator in the controller. i read the manual i didnt see anywhere stating that it will turn the pump off in the random mode

Hi Colin,

thanks your comments above.

Tunze control:
i don't know your configuration, i guess you connected 2 pumps with the cables ProfiLux-Tunze1 and ProfiLux-Tunze2, these 2 cables are connected over an Y-cable to one 1-10V-port of ProfiLux.
Further i guess this is port L1L2, then these settings should be done:
1. assign the function current pump1 to 1-10V-interface 1, set min-voltage to 3V and max-voltage to 8V
2. assign the function current pump2 to 1-10V-interface 2, set min-voltage to 3V and max-voltage to 8V
3. do the other current settings as needed (mode, percentage, times,...)

WLAN
i don't understand why you can't get it running. In earlier posts you wrote you had connection until you set the settings to factory defaults. So you have been very close to the target... Try it again next weekend...

Redox and all your other problems
seems you could solve them finally

In general (for all users): ProfiLux is a complex device with a lot of features. It has about 1000 settings which can be altered. We tried to develop a mostly self-explaining user interface but it is strictly recommended to read the manual completely and accurately (even if you think it is not neccessary because you think you'll guess how to do the configuration), only then you will be able to get the most benefit from the manifold features.
And if there are still questions ... don't hesitate to ask me for support!

Good to hear it`s comin along all, you bunch of rookies ! :)

Heh, cant wait till the end of the week here....im going to upgrade the unit a little bit, ill let you know how things go with some pics.

Dave,
if youve come here simply to troll...please take it elsewhere.



Marc.

Marc, the discussion about profilux that I referred to came up on a thread about Aquatronica. No one suggested at that time that it was inappropriate to bash AQT in favor of Profilux or to make the comparisons that were made on a review thread about a product. Similarly, no one suggested that it was akin to trolling. The point was made, at that time that if you read the boards all you'd find is threads about problems with AQT units. That was incorrect at that time and what Proline is saying now about AQT problems is equally incorrect. (no one has face plates falling off, and by only mentioning the issues with probes he completely ignores the many threads by satisfied AQT customers). So while you may not appreciate my comments I believe they are equally valid and the comparison apt. I have no doubt that the Profilux unit is solid and will work as intended, much like the AQT unit is working for me right now. And while the interruption of this thread, in order to make the comment of the problems that Profilux users are suffering, may not be appreciated it is as valid as the statements made in the AQT thread. Enjoy your controller, as I do mine.

Dave,

With due respect, this thread has nothing to do with proline, nor does it have anything to do with AQT.
It has even less to do with another thread that someone has posted stuff that you do not like, be it valid or not.

If youve got a beef with proline...send them an email.

This thread is in regards to the controller I have purchased, and potentially others that might choose the same so they can give their suggestions and comments and ask questions about it , aswell to give all members a fair view so they can make an honest and unbaised choice when considering ANY controller.

I would even love to hear comparisons between the two or questions and comments you have in that regard.

But so far, you can call it what you like, ill call it trolling.

Marc.

With equal respect Marc, the thread that the quote I posted came from had nothing to do with proline or Profilux. Yet while I was reading that review of the AQT controller I had to read about the benefits of Profilux & the negatives of AQT. I guess I could have not pointed out that the Profilux has some problems on this thread, much like all new equipment does, and instead just posted a link to a positive review of the AQT controller as an alternative to the Profilux. Would that also have been inappropriate? Because that was how the discussion of the Profilux controller showed up on a review of AQT.

What I'm saying is that if my input here is inappropriate then it was equally inappropriate on the other thread. You may refer to my posts as trolling & I'll end them now... but all they are is a similar type of intrusion as was done on the AQT review. Equally inappropriate, or equally acceptable. There was no hue & cry when it was done on the AQT thread yet here it seems to be undesirable. I am new to this forum and am learning the rules, both written & unwritten, as I go. I assumed from the behavior on the AQT thread that it was acceptable to offer alternatives & point out problems on a review thread. Perhaps a moderator could explain to me the difference in the two threads & the reaction to them. But as I said, I'll end my input here.

Profiliux Powerbar6D?
 

I purchased a Profilux II Plus system. Can't wait to get it! I heard Profilux is coming out with a Powerbar6D 6 socket digital powerbar. Does anyone know when the Powerbar6D will be released? I might hold off on buying the 4 socket powerbars if the Powerbar6D is going to be released soon. Also, any information regarding the pricing of the Powerbar6D?

Dave
There was a clear comparison of the 2 units in that thread before my post& that is why I posted.
As what you think is right or wrong ,I think you should take it up with Titus ,other than that ,you are taking this post off topic .

MNSPS the 6D bars are going to be in the comming shipment before the end of the month.
As for pricing there will not be a major price increase ,it is almost as you were paying per socket.

Sigh. For one second look at this from another pov then your own. Yes, there was a clear comparison before your post. But the fact that a comparison was made on a review thread for the AQT unit went unchallenged. Therefore it's ok to make those comparisons so it should also be ok for me to do so on this thread. And what I think is right or wrong isn't at issue here nor is it important whether you hijacked that thread or someone else did. I'm not trying to make this personal, I'm trying to understand why the rules aren't applied consistently. And Marc raised the issue about whether my post was appropriate or not so your advice should be given to him. I believe your bias is getting in the way of your objectivity. My post on this thread is no more argumentative or inappropriate then yours was on the other thread. If there is something wrong with hijacking this thread then there was something equally wrong with hijacking the other thread. If there's something wrong with pointing out that Profilux users are experiencing trouble with their units then it's equally wrong to point that out with AQT users. And if Marc wants to complain about my posts then he should complain to Titus, not me. It's a matter of consistency in the application of whatever rules apply.

Will the Powerbar6D's require a different expansion card then the 4 socket powerbars? I'm planning on just using two of the PowerBar6D's with my Profilux controller. Can they plug into the existing S1-S4 and S5-S8 sockets?

The new powerbar will be connected to the same slot,then you will be able to chain the next 6d bar to it ,.....
what is different with the 6d bar is that it come with a microp inside ,so
Beside the larger amount of sockets that can be controlled (up to 24) and
the easier wiring the digital powerbars have additional security
features. The powerbar checks if ProfiLux is still "alive" and is giving
proper commands. If the powerbar recognizes
some trouble the sockets will be set to a predefined programmable state, eg.
heater off, pumps on, whatever.

All is well here the controler is working good now the problem with the one socket staying on has gone away will keep an eye on it to see if it happens again just need to mount the level sensor and the Propeller Breeze. hope to get it done this weekend and then i will work on the LAN card On that not Jason are you getting any of the speed controls for the propeller Breeze if so I need one. Also do you know if the new 6 socket power bar can be chained together with the 4 outlet bars ? I need one of thoses too :) alittle off topic but is it you (Jason) that brings in the wavyseas? if so do you know if they make a extention for the control wire?

Well I better get out side and start shovleing :(


Later Doug

Hay Doug
Good to hear from you.
The 6d & 4d can't be chained however ,however talk to mike & I am sure he can aarange something for you:mrgreen:
The propeller breeze control is in stock & mike should have a couple in stock my friend.
As for wavy sea I will ask the manufacturer & let you know.
Have fun shavelling my friend ,I did some earlier,Damn it's cold:biggrin: :biggrin:

again i came home and found my one tunze off again. i am not using the y adapter i have each pump connected to its own port, when i swapped ports the problem swaps pumps, i have triple checked my programming and all seems good. again, is turning the pump off part of the random current generator?

Colin,

Tommorow afternoon i will take the tunzes off the other controller and try it on the profilux.

Ill let you know what happens.

Marc.

thanks marc. its happened two days in a row now

Hi niloc,

Did you read my last post about tunze?
Please give me detailled information about your configuration regarding the pumps. Where are they connected, what cables do you use?
After that i will tell you how to do the proper settings.

bullit67

the digital powerbars can be connected to S1-S4. This port can programmed to control standard OR digital powerbars. Because the digital powerbars can be "daisy-chained" up tp 4 digital powerbars only need one port.
The other port, S5-S8, is always suitable for standard powerbars! So a mixed setup is possible.
For the use of digital powerbars a firmware-update is neccessary. Firmware 3.00 + new manual will be available soon for download. Besides the digital powerbar support we added a lot of new nice features, eg extended controlling options for heating, pH....

they are using the tunze 1 and tunze 2 cables, one is installed in L1-L2 and the other installed in L3-L4, 1-10v port 1 is set to current pump1 and 1-10v port 3 is set to current pump2, random flow, min volt4 and max volt 10, nocturnal decrease to 30%, max flow of both pumps 100% and min flow of both pumps 40%. wave 30s, min duration 30min max duration 1hr 30min (unsure exactly the use of this setting but that is what it is set ). i believe that is all the settings they are set to. let me know if i missed something that you need to know

niloc16,

i think i found the mistake.
Cable ProfiLuxTunze1 uses L1 (or L3 when used in L3L4), cable ProfiLuxTunze2 uses L2 (or L4 when used in L3L4). So we have two different Tunze-cables, they can be connected to one port (eg L1L2) using an Y-adapter, then L3L4 would be free for other purposes.
That means in your case: 1-10V port 1 (=L1) and 1-10V port 4(=L4!) should have function pump 1 and pump 2! (Assuming you connected Tunze1 to L1L2 and Tunze2 to L3L4, otherwise we talk about the 1-10V-ports 2 and 3).
So please configure 1-10V-interface 4 - then it should run.

thanks matthias, this will probably drive you nuts, but with the cables out of the bag is there markings one them to determine which one is tunze cable1 and tunze cable 2? now that i have been swapping them to troubleshoot i dont which is which.

Then you must test it out.
Eg. in the following manner:
Plug in first cable: L1L2 to tunze
Set function of 1-10V-interface1 to dimm channel 1
Set function of 1-10V-interface2 to dimm channel 2
(the voltages can remanin)
Go to menu "manual light intensity"
switch off auto - yes
Dimm up and down D1 and D2
Reacts the pump on D1 or D2? Then you know it is Tunze1 or Tunze2
(The other cable is then also clear)
Don't forget to set again the 1-10V interfaces you need to pump1/2

Here answers on some questions i have been asked via PM:

"I'm assuming the easiest way for the connection to be made over the internet would be to install the Profilux Control & the redirector on the computer you are using (away from home) and then just make sure your router at home is setup to allow outside traffic to reach your Profilux?
Another option would be remote control software to use your computer at home to access the profilux... but this would require you to leave your computer at home on at all times. "
- Absolutely correct

" Is there any other way to do it, that I'm not thinking about?"
- I don't think so

"Are you interested or considering developing a web interface for the Profilux? I think it would be very beneficial and satisfy the wants of a lot of customers.. atleast in the North American crowd. (not sure about the european crowd)"
- Yes, it is possible to program a specific web interface (eg using cgi), at the moment we just have not enough time to do this because of developing a lot of other stuff. But it will come.

"Questions on tunze controls.. The tunze multicontroller has a setting that allows you to run 1 pump on a steady flowrate and the other on a flucuating flow rate and then at a set interval time they switch roles. Eg. Current Pump 1: 30%, Current Pump 2: 30%-100%, Switch Interval (X)hours. Would it be possible to include this control program into the Profilux? The best reason for this is you never have 1 pump turned completely off, and this helps greatly with reduced buildup and cleaning of pump internals."
- Of course you can. You must see we have waves (the percentages, eg Min 30% Max 100%) and ebb-tide (on/off, on means oscillating between Min and Max, but off doesn't mean a completely shutdown but remaining at the Min). I think i explained it very detailled in the manual.

"I also noticed that you mentioned to set the pump voltages from 3v-8v, is there any reason not to set them from 1v-12v ?"
- We measured the output of the original controllers. They have a voltage swing of about 3..8V

thanks again matthias. youve been a great help.

Profilux switching cycles per day?
 

I have a question regarding the clock timer functionality. I would like to connect two dosing pumps for adding a two part calcium additive. How many switching cycles per day does the Profilux allow? I beleive I read four but I would like to verifiy. It would be nice to be able to have 24 switching cycles per day especially when it comes to using dosing pumps.

i'm not sure myself but in the menu when it asks how many cycles per day just try and increase it to as many as it will allow, and then you'll know.

Hi,

up to 8 cycles per day.
In firmware 3.00, going to be released soon, will be new features regarding dosing and controlling.

niloc16 the pumps have to be assigned to L2 and one to L3.I bought mine at H.R. so they should be the same

thanks man, i havent had the problem since so whatever i messed with worked. i'll have to go over what i changed and see where the setting are.

i have had the problem with the lighting not shuttting off three times now on 3 different sockets, 3 different lights. 2 times with the halides each one is plugged into different sockets and on seperate powerbars and 1 time with my actinics (2 54w T5's) also on a different socket. the only way that i can get them to turn off is to reassign the outlet to be permanent and change it back to a clock timer. tapping on the powerbar did not switch it off.

One problem solved and just getting the next one...

The most important question is:
Is the LED on when the socket has power?

If yes: The hardware (powerbar) is OK and is just doing what it is told to do by ProfiLux.
->then there may be a mistake in your settings. In this case please
give me the complete settings of your timer (mode, count of times, the times, ...).

If no: The powerbar does not what ProfiLux wants.

ah man, my power bar just stayed on permanantly too for my actinics.I havent even ajusted anything in aweek.the LED still works with the settings like yours too.I think its pooched.I think?

@honkey sauce: What are Actinics? Metal halide lamps? (i am still learning English).
Do i understand you correctly: LEDs follow the settings you made but the socket's power is not switched simultanesly to the LED?

ok matthias have more info on the power bar problem. are you getting sick of hearing from me yet. anyway, tonight i had the problem again with lighting staying on but this time all 3 metal halides stayed on. the leds for these sockets were out. the only way i can get it to reset is change the outlet to 'permanent' and when i save this change i can here the relay click and the led comes on. now this proves that the relay was open otherwise i would not hear it close when i changed the outlet to permanent. so why then did the lighting stay on? only after i again change the outlet from 'permanent' back to the appropriate clock timer did the lighting go out because the settings were to have the lighting off.

actinics are just blue lighting fluorescent bulbs. mine are t5 lamps i'm not sure what honkey sauce are but actinics is just the blue bulbs used to simulate dawn and dusk

First thing I would like to say is Matthias you and your company have come up with an amazing product and I'm really excited about some of the new features you talk about.

I am also having a problem with the sockets staying on when the lights are set to go off. The LED on the power bar does go off. Tapping doesn't cause the socket to turn off. The easiest way I found to turn off the MH lights is to go to Manual Light Intensity increase it to above 0% and then back down to 0% and the MH shuts off. I have done this about 3-4 times and the light has never stayed on when it shouldn’t.

My lights are 250 Watt MH with IceCap 250MH ballasts each on their own socket. I have had both stay on and one or the other stay on as well.

One thought is that it may be due to heat as the ballasts are mounted right beside my Profilux power bar. I have added a small LED light to one of the empty sockets to see if it also fails to turn off. This is an intermittent problem which is one of the hardest to troubleshoot but I'll post anything I find to help so we can solve this and let Matthias worry about getting new stuff out.

niloc16, thanks for the detailled information. I think i'm sure about what's happening. The extremely high inrush current heats up the relay contacts at the moment of closing. Then they are "glued" and can't open when they should open. Another impulse (permanent on/off) jiggles the contacts and they are again free.
Why does this happen now in Canada while in Europa not even one of several thousand powerbars has this problems?
Probably the inrush current is 2x higher as in Europa because the coils resistance is only the half (you have only 110V, we have 230V).
The problem could be solved with inrush current limiters which are integrated in the powerbars. The disadvantage of these limiters would be that you could "only" get 8A permanent current out of a socket which is protected by an limiter.

My question:
Is it OK to have sockets with full power (15A) but not beeing suitable for inductive loads AND sockets for inductive loads (with high inrush current) at 8A?
I thought about the new digital 6plug powerbar we just started to produce: 4 x 8A + 2 x 15A (of course in sum only 15A because your household can only deliever 15A).
Would this be OK? Or any other suggestions?
@jrm99: Thanks a lot for your commendation and your information about the "switching problem". As you can read above i think we found the reason and we will solve it soon.

i have 4 250w MH plugged into one clock timer outlet and yet it has never stuck.now why would flouresent lights do that when they dont have a start up surge.

Besides that everything else is working mint and the Tunzes I hooked up are sweeeet.So many current settings!!!


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