He told me on Sunday (I believe) that invoices should be rolling out today.

I just got an email from Ivan saying he was going to ship on Friday. Maybe I'm being paranoid about cargo bumping, but I'm not so sure Friday is a good day to ship. I think I would prefer a day earlier next week. Also, it might be warmer next week. What do you think?

Hi Beverly,

I also got an email from Ivan saying he was short shipped on his last order. As a result, our shippment may be pushed back until next week.

Just popping in here to say "hi" and ... that's it's not that bad of an idea to be paranoid about cargo bumping. In my experience it happens all the time. And here's my story about how I don't like to do livestock orders on weekends anymore. It's a while ago now (December '02) that I got my Red Sea sailfin tang on a livestock order. It was due to arrive by Westjet at something like 1pm on a Sunday. As it happens, the plane was delayed or whatever and the shipment was bumped and etc. etc., next thing I know, I'm standing in the Westjet cargo carrier's office at ten minutes to 6:00pm, flight's not due for another 60 minutes, but the cargo carrier themselves close in ten minutes. No problem, says the dude, you can pick up your package at 5:00am tomorrow morning when we open again. Yes problem says me, there's a fish in there and it's -30 outside, it will be dead. Well, OK, you can pay this $150 "after hours" fee and I'll stay until the flight arrives. :eek:

In the end I got incredibly lucky: there was a dog coming in on the same plane, the folks whose dog it was happily paid the after hours fee, so I just hung around and got the box. Technically I probably should have paid the afterhours fee, and if it wasn't for that I was invited to just hang around (by both the folks whose dog it was and the cargo agent), I probably would have, rather than take the risk.

But the lesson was learnt: Westjet contracts out their cargo handling. So each city/airport/whatever has their own company, essentially, handling the cargo. So there's no such thing as standardized hours. Winnipeg's cargo handling was open until 11pm on Sundays, but not Calgary's. So the risk assessment based on the shippER's hours was faulty, since it was way more generous than the shippEE's hours.

Anyhow I guess my point is that cargo bumping happens all the time. Most of the times I've handled group orders it's been the same, or a similar story. Due at 1pm. Nope, now 3pm. Nope, now 5pm. Nope, now 10pm. Etc. What a pain.

As long as you expect it to be a pain, then if it's not bumped, you get a pleasant surprise, but if it is, at least you were expecting it and ready for it.

Harvey,

When you talk to him next, ask to have the stuff shipped Tue, Wed, Thu only so we don't get into a situation like Tony's :eek: I think Mon and Fri are poor days to ship because of the weekend and business traveling traffic. Do you know which carrier will our livestock be shipped with?

I believe it will be coming on Air Canada.

Yes, Ivan says he is shipping Air Canada.

I've always had better luck with Air Canada than with other carriers. I know it's fashionable to bash on AC(and yes Milty is a twit) but I have to give credit where credit is due.

With this all being said what about an arrive alive policy?

This is part of a PM I got from Ivan a while back:

Anyone hear anything more about this? I imagine the stuff is not going to be here today ... probably a good thing I hear it will warm up a little next week.

Ted

I myself haven't heard back from IJO yet....sorry to keep you all waiting folks, but its really out of my hands now...

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no prob. you did lots of work take a load off. we can wait a little longer

Has anyone been invoiced for their order? Computer crashed and I've only just been able to get email again since Sunday.

not yet... Still waiting to hear from Ivan. :confused:

What are we waiting for? Just the weather?

We are waiting for Ivan. Maybe he is still sourcing all the critters.
I know he got short shipped last week on some of them.

:idea: oh...I suddenly feel very slow...

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have not got any thing form him so whats up!

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Patience young Skywalker... :cool:

Hi,

Sorry guys, but I haven't heard back from Ivan either. Last I heard he was trying to get enough inverts together to fullfil our order. If I hear anything, I will let you guys know.

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the force is strong in this one

Good new everyone! I've heard from Ivan! :lol: Everyone who has ordered should have gotten an email from him. Please read his email over and see if there are any problems. I'm thinking a next Tuesday delivery? Any problems with that? As I recall, Friday or Monday shippments aren't a good idea...

Let me know what y'all think.

Tuesday works great for me!! :cool:

Oh, one thing I have noticed though is that not everything I have down is listed. For instance he doesn't list Trochus, Turbo or Cerith snails, so we might not be able to get those.

I've also noticed that there are only about 15 emails listed, but I have over 25 people on my order list, so did a bunch of people combine their orders or did a bunch of people just not order or...?

My stuff should be in with your's right?

Yep. I got your stuff and Brad's stuff.

I've ordered 50 margarita snails and was notified by Ivan of the delay.

Also, it looks like Ivan is short 4 cleaner shirmp. I don't know how you guys want to work this out? I have down 19 wanted but he only has 15 listed...this is an interesting dilemma. I never thought of what to do if there was a shortage? Anyone have any ideas??

Actually, I'll just email Ivan and get his list to see who actually ordered and who didn't.

As long as shipment isn't on Wednesday through Friday, any day is good for me.

Do you still want airpumps? I forgot to mention it yesterday when you were over here.

-Rich

The date sounds good to me if needed I will give up my cleaners for now I can ge them get next order that is done.

Brad

I will probably just cancel the bulk of my order because most of everything I want can't be gotten. This is somewhat disapointing because I passed up on some of these same items in the LFS...

Which items can't Ivan get for you? Just curious.

My jawfish, my fireshrimp, certain snails...pretty much the key items on my list (also birthday gifts...)

There are 2 Blood/Fire Shrimp available on the list. I don't know if he's included the fish orders in the list or not though.

Then I guess I got misinformed at some point here, because I was told that there was no fireshrimp to be had. Did anyone else order fish?

I sent Ivan an email asking for my personal list just to make sure I was getting what I need.

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have not got anything form ivan so i guess i dont need my order
thanks for your time and work.

Ivan is suppose to send out invoices today. Well, that's what he said in his email to me.

I still haven't received my invoice, if I don't hear anything by Sunday I am cancelling my order. Sorry, but I really can't wait any longer for some of the things in my order.

Still appreciate all the hard work that you put into putting this all together,

Anyone been invoiced?