Whoops, got a little worked up there. Just hate to see the critters die.

DOO-E, take your time, be patient, listen to the nice people here willing to help you. I'll keep my comments constructive.

Like the signature. Although I have never tried crack I think if it can be comparable to owning a piece of the ocean it must be some good stuff!

Cpt Cruel


"...and then you go in the penalty box for 2 minutes. And you feel shame."

Ill try to measure it with the ocean. Maybe I will do a 25 gallon Jawfish tank with a firefish. Keep 2 jawfish one seperate ends with a little rock. I want two becasue tey steal stuff from each other. As the stuff they steal is always the same peice of rock it is like a gem. Still nobody answered on keeping 1,2,or 3 clowns in that 25 until August bad idea or good idea. I think i will wait and do 3 waterchanges (one each week) then i will add the clowns one at a time. Maybe I will just get one and see how it does, Then i will add one more. Then when i have the 40 going i will think about adding another.

Only add two clowns and add them at the same time. Get them from the same tank at the lfs if you can, that way they are already accustomed to each other and there is less likely to be vying for territory.

Right I will get 2 then in a couple of weeks. Cant wait. Have wanted one since the beginning but can never time it right. They either have none or they are all sick so i bought clarks instead.

You are moving everything from the 40 to your temporary 25 right? This is where you will be keeping the clowns temporarily right? What was the cause of your tank crash in the first place? If I were you, I'd let the rock sit in the 25 without adding any livestock of any sort in case there were/are some nasties (like parasites) still living in/on the rock. I'd just wait until you set up the 40 and cycle that before getting the clowns. That way you won't have to move fish from one place to another with will also be less stressful on them.

I stuck the rock in freshwater and scooped all the little shrimp and my bristol worm out of the container and put them in my tank. I then washed the rock throughly with vinagar and water. So the rock is clean. I am then going to do a series of water changes before i add the clowns. I am going to do a series of water changes equivalant of the tank volume. I just want to get something in the tank to keep the filter seeded. The Cause of the crash was ich from the Angel. Ich is persent in all tanks so its hard to get rid of anyway unless you have sterolizer.

you washed you live rock in fresh water then in vinagar? I guess that one way to get rid of anything that might be harmful.....

Holy cow :eek: I would not have done that, doo-e :eek: Now you are going to have to re-cycle the whole lot of rock. I'd say you're in for at least 6 weeks to get the nitrifying bacteria back where it could sustain even a clean up crew. The shrimp and bristleworm are probably dead from the FW :sad:

Now that you have done this, it cannot be undone, so you must be very patient while your rock re-establishes itself. If I had done what you have done (heaen help me), these are the steps I would follow:

- put rock in tank with heater, powerhead(s), new salt water.
- have your ammonia, nitrite and nitrate test kits, along with a note pad, out where you can use them frequently. Whenever you test for any of these toxins, note date and test results.
- when ammonia and nitrite are both at 0 ppm, I would add a little food to the tank, then test for ammonia and nitrite in a day or two. If you have detectable ammonia or nitrite, you will need to cycle the rock longer. Repeat this step every 3-4 days for as long as there is detectable ammonia or nitrite. When ammonia or nitrite are not detectable, I would deem your rock cycled.
- you can do water changes if you like during re-cycling, but I think it's a bit of a waste of salt. RO water, time and energy. I would do two or three 60% water changes at the end of the above steps before adding fish, snails, or any living thing at all.

Believe me, there is now enough dead stuff on your rock to keep your filter seeded :eek:

Ich has a particular life cycle. If the tank had just been left fallow for 6 weeks, without the freshwater wash and vinegar thing, your tank would have been fine, unless new fish introduced ich to it. Now, though, you have killed most if not everything on your rock and starting from scratch may take longer than 6 weeks :sad:

BTW, I'm not certain that your cleaning regime has definitely killed the ich, though it might have. Ich would still be in your sandbed, so you will still have to leave the tank fallow for 6 weeks anyway, even if your rock re-cycles before then.

Take it easy, man :smile: And PLEASE stop calling bristleworms bristol worms :mrgreen:

Actually he was only half-joking. He wants to buy your stuff so you'll stop causing me heart palpitations.

Who wants to put money on how long the jawfish pair lasts?

Well if the rock is dead then i guess i will go buy some seeded stuff today after school. I am not getting a pair i said i was thinking about one now that i was told that they r harder to keep i am not getting one. Jerk. Beverly I dofnt need to know how to get the rock cycled i know how already thank though :mrgreen: