Because they can?

Because they want people to know they can

This statement is not true. LEDs have been around for several years and have proven to grow coral. This fixture is using the latest in LED technology. LEDs are improving every time a new fixture come to the market. Just because its only been on the market for a week does not mean its not proven. The LED itself is proven, ecotech has just used the LED that has been around for years, added some cool features, and a different shell than a fixture comprible to it and started selling it.

You know some people will be as stuck believing that about you advocating the Iphone as you are about the radion, right? :wink:

"I... think..." he said. Fighting a war with unpredictable human tastes/values/emotions/desires, there is no win. Your just as right as the next guy.

If LED's didnt grow corals... everyone with LEDs over their tanks (who have had them for more than a month) would have nice bleach white tanks. (or brown, red, green, from only cyano/algae, lol).

You wouldnt see 'growth pics' or 'colouring up' pics from people with LEDs if they didnt work.

Cheers,

Chris

Or its all just a big conspiracy, and everyone including Kien who has tried lots of LEDs, just say they work great to avoid the shame of admitting they didnt work.

We all know Kien borrows the non-LED-club mascott 'Ol-blue' from Brett when the LED's are off. :lol:

True, there are others that may have one, and very few of their freinds and family know they do.

So why are these LEDs better than the 200 dollar led pendent from china? Won't those grow corals too?

I'm not really arguing along with you guys but try and sort out a failure with one of those fixtures. Ecotech definitely has a reputation for making things right for its customers and even that carries it's own cost.

Not to mention the LED used in most of those units put out much less light.

You bashed the radion's price... then you bashed LEDs in general...

I think your head is too hard. We all know they will all grow coral... we all know lightining storms and red and green LED's aren't necessary for that growth... But... some people want to pay a company an extra $200 for a similar light to install those features on their light!


*The bold italicized text is the moral of the story

jebus i just left for 5 mins to catch a huge bristle work almost 3/4" thick which i end up making into now 3 bristle worms and i miss 3 pages of posts...i just read them took me about 3 mins....3 mins of my life ill never get back thanks guys!! lol:)

Aren't the ecotec lights 800+ per pendent?

so why is it more expensive than some of the other phones again in case i missed it lol?????

Yes they are.

Am I going to pay $600 more for better/proven leds, more functions, and a warrenty.... Yup!!

Im not even argueing... Im talking to a wall.

I have a sticker that says "I respect your opinion, I just dont want to hear it"... I should cross out "I respect" and mail it to Marko. *So he can put it on his door

If you don't understand that people have different interests or preferences than you do, your not going to get anywhere. There is no way to explain why certain 'scientifically un-necessary to coral growth' features are 'better' than others, other than personal feelings. The cost for this fixture's 'fancy features'... the result of feelings that some have and you dont. (and things like Brett mentioned, such as customer service, or component quality).

Cheers,
Chris

*Edited for clarity of statement

I misread your $200... I thought you wrote $200 dollars more... Either way, the number doesnt matter. We are talking about price difference vs. personal desires.

Honestly I'm secretly looking for a reason to buy LEDs. And I was hoping a logical (to me) reason would come up

im naming this provincial LED day :) happy led day all!!!!

because they can do lightning storms!!!!!! although my halide does that after i splash some water on the ballast lol:)

Maybe I would too, for 1 pendent. But not if for 5

Man 10 pages just today. Do any of you have jobs? Or are you all at work using your iphones :lol:

"i dont have an iphone...too expensive and the extra toys dont justify the price"-albert einstein

Seem's legit. :lol:

Albert Einstein: Died April 18 1955

Steve Jobs: Born Feb 25 1955

i got it off the internet so you know its true;)

Wikipedia?

but of course its the only sight i trust lol :):)

well thanks alot guys with over 100 emails in the last while i cant see if im getting REAL emails lol

I started writing a list of advantages LED's have... but they have all been listed in the various LED threads on this board, on other boards... you seem to have read some LED threads... so I assume you came across most of them. Some things like build quality, warrenty, customer service... those were mentioned right here... MOST average consumers actually find that stuff pretty important, im not sure about you?

These things that you will find in most LED threads tend to be what attract many to LED's in the first place.

Now the fancy features, like lightning storms and coloured LEDS... if you are interested at all in the colours of your corals, or the colours you see... this may be of some interest to you... it certainly is to many others as something to play with and adjust the visual effect you receive. And if you've ever shown off a piece of equipment from your tank to a guest in your house (even as simple as a magfloat), some people may like to show off thins like lightning, cloud simulation, LUNAR simulation.... But its not just about the lightning, but simulating actual annual solar/lunar cycles (sometimes encouraging reproduction in corals or fish)... thats pretty sweet to some people. These are just 'bonus features'... you dont have to get them...

If you are REALLY considering going LED... then read the threads and accept what people have found advantageous about them. If you could care less about these fancy features of the radion, then dont buy a radion, and get a simpler fixture with less options that is cheaper.

Seems relatively logical I think.

But if none of the advantages of LED seem 'logical' to you as you put it... dont get them.

All your 'fighting' about in this thread are the 'useless toys' that come with the radion. Some want them, so they get them. If you dont want them, dont get them.

One more for good luck?

anyone know, if i remove a couple powerheads at a time to clean them for a few hours. will my anemone's star moving around?

they float:)

they may not move if they are happy where the lights are getting to them.you can always feed them first then they should stay put.

oh and ....


:focus::focus::focus:

Very well put.

I'm gonna let the wife read that, lol.

forget ecotech....heres my light im coming out with anyone wanna fund it????


its a led light fixture it has a built in skimmer and reactors , it hovers by fans that act as cooling so no suspended wires or legs,it has a built in feeders,temp control,water tests.it has a auto top off that doubles as a "rain simulation" it has lightning and powerheads facing down to simulate a hurricane. it drops little led modules that cruise the top of the tank spreading light throughout then get sucked back up before night with magnets. the fixture is wireless and has bluetooth.the fixture is solar powere3d and powers its self during the day.... off its own light.the fixture has a built in camera for top down shots and has a video camera with night vision for catching night time critters in action.

all under the price of a ecotech;)


thanks and your welcome...ill be taking pre orders so just send me a bunch of cash and well figure it out later k;)

I'd go with DIY and get exactly what you want a a fraction of the cost. Plus, you can modify it as the technology gets better.

Like watching the Republican debates, this thread.

haha, so true :)

For a moment there I was going to say which debate may be more intelligent but, really, neither of them are..:razz:

On a similar note, I was post #2 this morning. I check back at 4 pm and there are 12 pages. Is anyone here employed?:razz: I think this almost breaks a new record... beats all of the other fiasco threads but those all unfolded over a few days. Here we have 12 pages because of little blinky lights... awesome!

i thought this was the random thought thread......i should learn to read or have my translator learn english would be a good idea:):)

Not even close. There is NO one in here who could pull the boneheaded CRAP that Rick Perry spouts every damn time he opens his mouth. Romney walks all over that guy like no one's business (and/or *insert inappropriate euphemism here*).

Which is all besides the point. I didn't realize LED's were such a partisan issue :P

Remember circa 2003-2005 when people were still arguing about T5's?

Yeah, that.