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RuGlu6 01-23-2010 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kien (Post 484605)
I'm curious.. What could the side effects be if one was to just dump a couple of 1000ml bags into their sump? Is it possible to overdose these pellets? They keep to themselves pretty much whereever you put them. Bacteria consumes them and releases mulm but I would think that the amount of pellet eating bacteria would be limited by the available nutrients (nitrates and phosphates). So, if you have more pellets than bactertia once you hit ultra low nutrients would the excess pellets just hang out until they are eventutally consumed? While not impacting your system ? Just curious and something that crossed my mind :-)

You are on the right track,
however if you "overdose" pellets you might have a "bacteria Bloom" depending on how much " Bacteria food" other then the pellets is available.
Because pellets are "food source" themselves.

Borderjumper 02-04-2010 07:37 PM

Ian are any of there pellets in stock? Im about ready to try em!

OceanicCorals-Ian- 02-04-2010 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Borderjumper (Post 489014)
Ian are any of there pellets in stock? Im about ready to try em!


You bet! I have both the 500ml & 1000ml bags available and in stock.

Ian

OceanicCorals-Ian- 02-10-2010 08:58 PM

We are ordering another batch of Pellets, anyone else considering to buy some please let us know so we can adjust our order size accordingly.

Thanks!

O.C.

don.ald 02-10-2010 09:00 PM

i will try 500ml

OceanicCorals-Ian- 02-10-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by don.ald (Post 490962)
i will try 500ml

Sounds good, you will not be disappointed, these are proving to work exceptionally well.

You can order yours through the website if you like, it will be one week before I see the next batch.

banditpowdercoat 02-10-2010 10:48 PM

Man, these things sellin like hotcakes, huh! Not to often a Reef product this good, for this cheap comes into the market. Good things, good things :D

OceanicCorals-Ian- 02-10-2010 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by banditpowdercoat (Post 490993)
Man, these things sellin like hotcakes, huh! Not to often a Reef product this good, for this cheap comes into the market. Good things, good things :D


People will think we are paying you! LOL. They do work as advertised, not always easy to come by in this hobby sometimes.

pterfloth 02-10-2010 11:20 PM

What long term experience is there with this product and SPS? They sound intriguing, but having invested heavily in SPS and recognizing their sensitivity to changes of any kind, I am hesitant to try them.

I already run zeolites with bacteria and a carbon source. How would you suggest implementing this product to my ULNS tank?

banditpowdercoat 02-10-2010 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OceanicCorals-Ian- (Post 491003)
People will think we are paying you! LOL.

I'll just take some frags in leu LMAO

OceanicCorals-Ian- 02-10-2010 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pterfloth (Post 491008)
What long term experience is there with this product and SPS? They sound intriguing, but having invested heavily in SPS and recognizing their sensitivity to changes of any kind, I am hesitant to try them.

I already run zeolites with bacteria and a carbon source. How would you suggest implementing this product to my ULNS tank?

Since the product is fairly new to the market I am not aware of any really long term studies on the product; however, the creator of the product has been using the pellets for a long time with very positive results.

I run the pellets in conjunction with Zeovit as does many others that has bought the pellets. It is almost impossible to overdose the pellets as their nutrient reduction mechanism is self limited by the amount of nutrients in the water.

As always we always recommend starting at half amount recommended then doubling it within 3-4 weeks.

Delphinus 02-10-2010 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pterfloth (Post 491008)
What long term experience is there with this product and SPS? They sound intriguing, but having invested heavily in SPS and recognizing their sensitivity to changes of any kind, I am hesitant to try them.

I already run zeolites with bacteria and a carbon source. How would you suggest implementing this product to my ULNS tank?

Personally, I can't really see that there would be an issue with SPS with what I've seen and read so far.

You would want to run the pellets in a separate reactor such as a Phosban reactor or similar, regardless of using Zeo or not. That was my key learning in my experiment in this thread: The pellets only work when fluidized and anything that interferes with that will reduce their effectiveness or defeat them altogether.

The real question though is if you run zeovit already, you may not really need to run the pellets as you should already have a tank with low nutrients. However to flip things around, I wonder how these pellets will affect sales of zeovit startups because they are easier to use, cheaper, less labour intensive, but still equally effective at reducing nutrients. The only thing I can think of to speak to that is that zeovit (and ultralith and etc etc) are not "just" about reducing nutrients so there is still value in those systems.

kien 02-11-2010 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Delphinus (Post 491019)
Personally, I can't really see that there would be an issue with SPS with what I've seen and read so far.

You would want to run the pellets in a separate reactor such as a Phosban reactor or similar, regardless of using Zeo or not. That was my key learning in my experiment in this thread: The pellets only work when fluidized and anything that interferes with that will reduce their effectiveness or defeat them altogether.

The real question though is if you run zeovit already, you may not really need to run the pellets as you should already have a tank with low nutrients. However to flip things around, I wonder how these pellets will affect sales of zeovit startups because they are easier to use, cheaper, less labour intensive, but still equally effective at reducing nutrients. The only thing I can think of to speak to that is that zeovit (and ultralith and etc etc) are not "just" about reducing nutrients so there is still value in those systems.

So then, the million dollar question Tony, is, are you going to ditch the zeo? You started the pellets with the zeo right? Do you plan to ditch the zeo and just run the pellets or do you plan to continue running both ?

don.ald 02-11-2010 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by don.ald (Post 490962)
i will try 500ml

Ian do you sell MJ1200 powerheads?

OceanicCorals-Ian- 02-11-2010 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by don.ald (Post 491026)
Ian do you sell MJ1200 powerheads?

We do! $27.99. We have some coming in next week. 1200's only. I will load some on the website.

don.ald 02-11-2010 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OceanicCorals-Ian- (Post 491028)
We do! $27.99. We have some coming in next week. 1200's only.

if possible put one with my pellets and i will pay when its on the website!
please and thanks!

OceanicCorals-Ian- 02-11-2010 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by don.ald (Post 491029)
if possible put one with my pellets and i will pay when its on the website!
please and thanks!

Already uploaded to the site. I have a list a mile long of products we need to upload; however, I just have not had time to get through it all!! :mrgreen:

OceanicCorals-Ian- 02-23-2010 06:52 PM

Update! AGAIN.

We are still waiting for our large order of Biopellets to arrive, it seems the manufacturer is having difficulties keeping up with demand on these Pellets. We should see our order late this week and will ship out all orders at once.

If you have ordered Pellets from us we appreciate your patience!

O.C.

blubblub 02-27-2010 01:00 AM

bio pellets avaleble
 
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blubblub 02-27-2010 01:02 AM

bio pellets avaleble
 
do you get them from the states that is taking so long befor you get them in?, ore direct from the manuf.,

ILIKECOUGARS 03-01-2010 11:45 PM

Ian, any information on the bio-pellets yet. Can you add this to my order if its not to late. I had phone in my credit card infor.

1- Biopellet Reactor MOD
Two 6" x 6" pieces large enough to do one reactor of any type.
Product Code: BIOC56

Thanks,
Ed.

banditpowdercoat 03-01-2010 11:50 PM

My nitrates have gone from >25 to <5 in a Month. With just 2 10% water changes.

Never have I been able to reduce that fast! No noticable depreciation in pellet volume/size yet either. 500Ml on 150g tank

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-02-2010 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ILIKECOUGARS (Post 497328)
Ian, any information on the bio-pellets yet. Can you add this to my order if its not to late. I had phone in my credit card infor.

1- Biopellet Reactor MOD
Two 6" x 6" pieces large enough to do one reactor of any type.
Product Code: BIOC56

Thanks,
Ed.

Ed,

No problem at all! Pellets are all being shipped out today tomorrow and Wednesday! We will charge you CC through once they ship.

Ian

Borderjumper 03-06-2010 02:14 AM

Hey Ian, or anyone else who knows
Should I stop using GFO once I start the bio pellets?

imisky 03-06-2010 02:54 AM

i would stop using GFO once the bio pellets are on as bacteria utilizes NO3 and PO4 + carbon source to grow. Once GFO sucks out all the PO4 the NO3 will stop being utilized and you'll get a build up of NO3 overtime.

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-06-2010 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by imisky (Post 498718)
i would stop using GFO once the bio pellets are on as bacteria utilizes NO3 and PO4 + carbon source to grow. Once GFO sucks out all the PO4 the NO3 will stop being utilized and you'll get a build up of NO3 overtime.

What he said.:lol:

George 03-06-2010 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by imisky (Post 498718)
i would stop using GFO once the bio pellets are on as bacteria utilizes NO3 and PO4 + carbon source to grow. Once GFO sucks out all the PO4 the NO3 will stop being utilized and you'll get a build up of NO3 overtime.

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Originally Posted by OceanicCorals-Ian- (Post 498726)
What he said.:lol:

hmmm..so a tank needs to have both PO4 and NO3 for this product to work? Can NP pellet consume all of PO4 before NO3 being completely consumed in a tank? What will happen if that is the case?

imisky 03-06-2010 04:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George (Post 498737)
hmmm..so a tank needs to have both PO4 and NO3 for this product to work? Can NP pellet consume all of PO4 before NO3 being completely consumed in a tank? What will happen if that is the case?

thats correct, a tank needs both PO4 and NO3 for this product to work. Its almost impossible to have a tank stipped 100% of PO4 and NO3 so no matter what this product will reduce nutrient levels. Once a tank has any trace amount of PO4 or NO3 the bacteria will start to utilize it to grow.

The bio pellets consumes PO4 and NO3 in the ratio that is needed by the bacterias so it will reduce both PO4 and NO3 at the same time and because of that one will not become depleted before the other unless specific removers such as GFO or nitrate removers are used. plus anytime you feed the fish you are adding PO4 and NO3 into the system which in turn feeds the bacterias.:smile:

But in the case that one nutrient gets limited, you will observed either PO4 or NO3 hovering at a range and not changing but that is purely hypothetical and does not happen in real life.

George 03-06-2010 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George (Post 498737)
hmmm..so a tank needs to have both PO4 and NO3 for this product to work? Can NP pellet consume all of PO4 before NO3 being completely consumed in a tank? What will happen if that is the case?

Quote:

Originally Posted by imisky (Post 498756)
thats correct, a tank needs both PO4 and NO3 for this product to work. Its almost impossible to have a tank stipped 100% of PO4 and NO3 so no matter what this product will reduce nutrient levels. Once a tank has any trace amount of PO4 or NO3 the bacteria will start to utilize it to grow.

The bio pellets consumes PO4 and NO3 in the ratio that is needed by the bacterias so it will reduce both PO4 and NO3 at the same time and because of that one will not become depleted before the other unless specific removers such as GFO or nitrate removers are used. plus anytime you feed the fish you are adding PO4 and NO3 into the system which in turn feeds the bacterias.:smile:

But in the case that one nutrient gets limited, you will observed either PO4 or NO3 hovering at a range and not changing but that is purely hypothetical and does not happen in real life.

OK, thanks for the clarification!

imisky 03-06-2010 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by George (Post 498767)
OK, thanks for the clarification!

glad i could help :biggrin:

Chaloupa 03-30-2010 04:57 AM

on the edge of my seat waiting for my reactor and pellets....need it NOW:biggrin:

tlo 03-30-2010 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by imisky (Post 498756)
thats correct, a tank needs both PO4 and NO3 for this product to work. Its almost impossible to have a tank stipped 100% of PO4 and NO3 so no matter what this product will reduce nutrient levels. Once a tank has any trace amount of PO4 or NO3 the bacteria will start to utilize it to grow.

The bio pellets consumes PO4 and NO3 in the ratio that is needed by the bacterias so it will reduce both PO4 and NO3 at the same time and because of that one will not become depleted before the other unless specific removers such as GFO or nitrate removers are used. plus anytime you feed the fish you are adding PO4 and NO3 into the system which in turn feeds the bacterias.:smile:

But in the case that one nutrient gets limited, you will observed either PO4 or NO3 hovering at a range and not changing but that is purely hypothetical and does not happen in real life.


so, if we are running bio pellets, will one still need GFO?

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-30-2010 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tlo (Post 506339)
so, if we are running bio pellets, will one still need GFO?

Easy answer, no. :mrgreen:

OceanicCorals-Ian- 03-30-2010 05:37 AM

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