It is possible to have a dimmable ballast fire more than two lamps.

Ok I refraze - maybe possible but NOT designed to.

Talk to both Advance and Sylvania about this, I have and the above is the answer I got. if it was possible we would be using this method as it saves cost and lowers heat, it does not make economic sense to not do something if feasible.

There are reasons why manufacturers advise otherise and when building a quality product it is ill advised to go against what they state.

I am looking at advances electrical engineering 2009 right now and they are miss quoting you.

Just saying what our engineering book says.

Just trying to say you might want to check into other manufacturers for cheaper, but just as good tolerances if not better.

Advance is far from the best manufacturer.

Not quite sure why the head of technical in would miss quote but makes no odds really, the fauna lamp will run with 2 tubes on one ballast as this also ties in with the other electonics that are incorporated.

We have checked with other manufacturers also, the ballast to be used is NOT Advance ;)

Hope that helps

If you have any questions on the above latest info let me know :)

1 Will the power line be for power only, switching multiple tubes per unit, and with a separate control cable?

2 Will the LED's be independently controlled so you can have various numbers of them on per unit? And if so can this be controlled by the profilux to simulate the moon phase?

3 Is the dimming on a set parameter as in 100% or 50% or 0%. Or is it variable as in 0% all the way up to 100% ?

4 When you say there are further advances in dimming options later in the year do you know what these options are? and are these lights going incorporate something like the profilux and can be 100% upgradeable?

5 For the light to be off does it need to be hooked up to the Profilux power bar or will the dimmable part of the light be able to switch it off?

Thanks Cam

1 Will the power line be for power only, switching multiple tubes per unit, and with a separate control cable?

No the control cable will be within the powerline going into the control box

2 Will the LED's be independently controlled so you can have various numbers of them on per unit? And if so can this be controlled by the profilux to simulate the moon phase?

No these will be independant and not controlled by the ProfiLux

3 Is the dimming on a set parameter as in 100% or 50% or 0%. Or is it variable as in 0% all the way up to 100% ?

As with ALL GHL dimming capabilities it will be 0% to 100%

4 When you say there are further advances in dimming options later in the year do you know what these options are? and are these lights going incorporate something like the profilux and can be 100% upgradeable?

Yes - 80watt dimmable, as for the profiLux, there will be an option to purchase a GHL Profilux light II to run the dimmable modules, if you want a profilux that is upgradeable then at time of purchase talk to your retailer about a deal on a ProfiLux plus II

5 For the light to be off does it need to be hooked up to the Profilux power bar or will the dimmable part of the light be able to switch it off?

The lamp will be fitted with zero volt switching as standard

Can you clarify something for me?

Will the non-dimmable fixtures have only one cord also? If that's the case does that mean that if the fixture is not controlled with a GHL controller that all the lamps will turn on and and off at the same time?

Also, will non-dimmable 24" 6 and 8 lamp fixtures be released in the first wave of released fixtures? (I just checked the sister thread on RC and see that a 6 lamp 24" fixture is the retail standard so you can ignore this question :) )

What is the standard fixture color?

Ballasts don't handle spectrum, they put out current at a voltage. the only deference between cheep ones and expensive ones, is how many years they will last. Also there ,may be better range of input voltage operating range. But yes I didn't include ballasts in my previous post. you can get real good t5 bare ballast for about 40.00 last time I looked.



extrusion is expensive to make the die for, it is very cheep to produce after that, which is exactly what I posted previously. I was referring to the prototype in the bending as you are not going to make extrusion tooling to see if thats what you want to use.

As for reflectors, if you use the good stuff, and make 12 (12" x 24" ) finished size it would cost me about 15.00 per reflector

the price on tubes is probably very close to what the manufactures charge the wholesalers for them. If you are a company who is going to be buying a tone of bulbs, or have there own branded bulbs you are going to be buying enough to have them cheep.

as for the difference between a shop light and fish light, only a couple ascetics, and bulbs.

yes there is differences in some of the materials, one might be powder coated steel, the other aluminum.. ballasts, ect... there is not much more in cost aside from ballast and bulbs.

Steve

Hi Steve,

I appreciate your debate, just trying to keep this great thread on track about this fantastic new fixture.

If you feel you can do better for so much cheper then i look forward to your high quality powder coated T5 dimmable fixture with variable cooling, built in LED lighting system including High quality full spectrum tubes and GHL interface for a retail price less than $300. I will buy them from you for sure :)

Best wishes
Michael ;)

Hiya

Ok to clarify - there will be one power line harness, which will have all the seperate cables inside, this saves the birds nest seen with many other lamps, espcially ones mixing 12V cooling fans etc!

Yes 6 tube standard on 24w. was to be 4 tube but actually due to your personal input I increased this, so we are listening :)

Sweet! Thanks for making the change to 6 lamps being standard on the 24" fixture! :D

Here are the standards

24w = 6 tube
39w = 8 tube
54w = 10 tube
80w = 10 tube

Same goes for dimmable.

I have one sample leaving Germany by sea freight in about two weeks, I will be shipping this to Progressive reef when I get it ;) No idea what configuration it will be yet.

Just out of curiousity... how long would it generally take to get it in your hands by sea freight?

Depending on customs around 4-6 weeks.

For normal supply this will be taken into account so supply is not an issue

So if the sample is going to take 4-6 weeks to get in your hands and it's going to be sent out in 2 weeks, when is the normal supply going to be sent out? If it takes 4-6 weeks for you to receive them it doesn't sound like anything will be ready for sale in retailers hands by January unless the normal supply is sent at the same time as the sample.

Just trying to get a handle on when fixtures will actually be available. I know this has been a problem in the past with several companies (including Fauna Marin) a) taking longer than anticipated to actually release the product and b) transit times leading to 2 and 3 month waits while items have to make across to North America and then clear customs. Add to that the currently impending Canada Post strike and who knows how long it will be before the fixtures arrive (obviously this is outside your and Fauna Marin's control).

I believe I answered this here ;)

Just regarding the comparison to shop lights, the main difference would be economies of scale in supply manufacturing and distribution. If twenty million people were buying T5 pendants they would cost 75 bucks each. All in all the price is determined by supply and demand, I hope these units will come out in a price range that fits me, not expecting the manufacturer to give them away for free, but over $1000.00 for lights is Ferrari price range and I am a Honda person myself.

How many facets do they individual reflectors have?

Thanks

These are T5 fixtures not MH.

The reflectors are the next generation up from what ATI use, same reflector factory i am told.

The Reflectors have 6mm over hang so no light goes back to the tube optimising the light output downwards.

How many bends around the lamp?

The reflectors are made from 98% reflective German extruded aluminum.

These are the highest output reflectors available.

Delivers 98% efficiency.

The Reflector has 29 different bends to give the optimum amount of performance.

This Increases output of T5 lamp over 300%.

The special forming of the reflectors brings the light deep into the tank with full Power

Every tube has its own reflector

Made specifically for high power T5's

holy, just got through this whole thread.
Nice work A.D.

I always admire your salesmanship.

Fauna Marin is in good hands on this forum.

:wink:

many thanks :biggrin:

Not sure if it salesmanship. Although i agree it is hard to give product info over without it sounding like one big hard sell.

I am hoping the light unit will sell itself really

Here hoping

Good luck with wading through the many pages that i am sure will follow ;)

What dealers in Alberta will carry the fixture?

Its worth a try against my powermodule, and if its better, good for me and my corals.

Never know might have my powermodule for sale.

Thanks

We are in talks with a few right now and will provide more info on dealers in the new year

We have been flooded with requests! But we will not detract from our standard policy of flooding the market with dealers, but make sure good coverage is always maintained.

if you personally have a dealer you want to carry the unit, please ask them to contact us, we will then see what we can do.

All new dealers will be store front though.

Will prices be released this week still?

YES

:mrgreen:

Price role out as follows

First

Standard fixture

Second

Fixture with LED moon light

Third

Dimmable which includes Moon Light

Fourth

80w prices in both standard/standard with Moonlight and dimmable

First prices come this week.

Rest to follow between now and end of the year in time for launch

...

Still waiting eagerly.

Hi

Michael will give you the prices when iám ready with all parts
We make some changes in the electronic, due to LED and flickering effect.
Iám ready in a few days and then the prices will be send

If you have some special wishes which you want to see in a high end T5 Fixture then please write me that.

Greets claude

Michael previously indicated that the standard fixtures were going to be the first ones for which the price is released. Considering these don't have LEDs I would assume the "flickering effect" should have no impact on them and therefore not delay the release of information pertaining to their price.

Canadian

I am sorry this will not get you the price faster, when the prices are ready they will be published.

ALL units will come with the same internal make up as one of the advanced syatems so it does have direct effect on the basic model also

I am sorry if the slight price release delay is not to your satisfaction. Nothing further can be added

I'm just trying to get clarification. By the wording of Claude's post it sounded like the delay was only related to fixtures with LEDs. I didn't see how that could effect the price release of the standard fixture. Again, I was just trying to get some clarification, but perhaps I'm missing something here.

Hi

We make some changes in electronic , packing and transport to bring the prices
down. When iám ready i send the prices immidiately.

The lamps will come with

1. LED Shimmer (flickering) effect
2. single high end reflectors for deep light 98 % reflection
3. German made high end Ballast with Cut off technology for longer life time
4. electronic controlable active cooling for fans and tubes
5. Splash water protection
6. confortable Y wire stainless steel hanging kit
7. full powdercoated heavy aluminium body
8. one Powercord 3 meters long , one control Box to control the
different T5 tubes by pair
and some other options.

Greets claude

Sounds great Claude! Thanks for the update.

Hi Canadian

We still work on the technical way to raise up the Output
if we make the 80 Watt dimmable lamps.
Give me some days and we can show you how we will solved the problem with the full dimmable T5 lamps in 80 Watts.
Some of the components are new and increases the light output and the
lifetime of the tubes of more then 15 % and more.

Greets claude

Update:

Not even a standard 6 lamp 24" fixture will be priced at less than $1000.