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noirsphynx 11-17-2008 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Lap (Post 360713)
I thought everybody paid the same on LS. I didnt think we could 'score' a good deal on LS and corals.

For instance....Im getting a bunch of mushrooms for 'free' in which I 'scored' a deal. I guess I dont have to claim them in the budget then.

I have many mushrooms in my tank that were free as well but I claimed them. I was just thinking since my sun coral was so tiny maybe the price would be different.

Ryan_Lap 11-17-2008 08:33 PM

Ok, all I really want to know then is:

I have a 4"+ mushroom that I got for free. Budget claims I have to claim it as $15. So what do I claim then? Free? $15? $10? $7.59?

JDigital 11-17-2008 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan_Lap (Post 360713)
I thought everybody paid the same on LS. I didnt think we could 'score' a good deal on LS and corals.

For instance....Im getting a bunch of mushrooms for 'free' in which I 'scored' a deal. I guess I dont have to claim them in the budget then.

We also said that no coral/livestock is Free. Therefore, it falls under the price list (or JL / LA).

Ryan_Lap 11-17-2008 08:39 PM

Ok so LS goes by LA and J and L.

Corals are priced by the list you provided.

If thats it, it seems pretty black and white to me. Just wanted to clear it up as Im trying to figure out what Im putting in my tank.

sphelps 11-17-2008 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan_Lap (Post 360713)
I thought everybody paid the same on LS. I didnt think we could 'score' a good deal on LS and corals.

For instance....Im getting a bunch of mushrooms for 'free' in which I 'scored' a deal. I guess I dont have to claim them in the budget then.

I believe the system has a small flaw. From what I understand the good deal can also be applied for livestock but you can't get anything for free. If you were to pay a small amount for those mushrooms and get a receipt I think that's allowed but a receipt for $0 won't fly. At least that's how I understand it, if you call that understanding.

ElGuappo 11-17-2008 08:57 PM

it is my understanding we are to use the price list for all. there is no such thing as a good deal on LS as this is supposed to be figured at a Fair Market Value.

Snappy gave me an insane deal and i have used prices listed on the other page. the only deals i thought we were allowed to use were on used hardware. all LS is matched to either JL or LA websites. ???

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Ryan_Lap 11-17-2008 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ElGuappo (Post 360725)

Snappy gave me an insane deal and i have used prices listed on the other page. the only deals i thought we were allowed to use were on used hardware. all LS is matched to either JL or LA websites. ?

Agreed, atleast this will maintain some consistency. I could get receipts coming out of everywhere saying a paid so and so for a mushroom. Unfair for one person to pay $1 when the other will pay the posted price of $5.

sphelps 11-17-2008 09:00 PM

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items on which you scored a "good deal"- If you can provide proof of the price you got, cost will be figured at the actual price you paid. If it was a transaction with a private individual, have them hand-write you a receipt, scan it, and post it on your thread.

If you purchase something at a steal of a deal from a Canreef.com vendors you do not have to deal with 'fair market value' etc. Example: Sponsor X regularly has 50% off or buy one get one specials that are available to Canreef.com members, so if you pay $10 and get 2 pieces that normally would cost $20, you only pay the $10. This is in hopes that some vendors will want to have specials aimed specifically at this contest.
Nothing here saying it doesn't apply to livestock. The second one refers to "pieces" so I would assume that one is actually talking more about livestock.

sphelps 11-17-2008 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Lap (Post 360727)
Agreed, atleast this will maintain some consistency. I could get receipts coming out of everywhere saying a paid so and so for a mushroom. Unfair for one person to pay $1 when the other will pay the posted price of $5.

It is based on the honor system so if you truthfully got a better deal than someone else that's just life, isn't it?

Ryan_Lap 11-17-2008 09:09 PM

First line of the Livestock Prices Thread:
Quote:

"Here is the Price list for everyone to use for the contest. "

sphelps 11-17-2008 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Lap (Post 360732)
First line of the Livestock Prices Thread:

Yeah that's the general pricelist, but I'm pretty sure it was made clear at some point you could use sale prices and the whole "good deal" thing. That's what I thought anyway.

superduperwesman 11-17-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Lap (Post 360732)
First line of the Livestock Prices Thread:

While it states that the list is for everyone to use it does not say that only the list can be used... if so it would seem that we have a contradiction as I would have to agree that "pieces" would imply coral...

Interesting.... But I guess it works both ways... you might get screwed on the cost of your mushroom but you can put a $300 colony of Zoas in for $10

Just don't pick a mushroom theme I guess?? ahah

Ryan_Lap 11-17-2008 09:41 PM

Well maybe it would be possible to get some clarification, rather than everyone trying to guess what the rules should be. I just want to figure out my stock list.

ElGuappo 11-17-2008 09:44 PM

i have used sale prices posted on either site (JL, LA) with confirmation by another contestee. that is only for inverts and fish thus far but i dont see any problem with using sale prices on coral as long as it is confirmed and size is listed.

All my prices come from either they allowed 2 web sites or the price list.

I just kinda sat back and said nothing while all the "Debating" about prices was going on and decided to just use the websites and price list for all items just to avoid any conflict. in the long run i thought i got some wiked deals but after adjusting all prices to the above mentioned sources i actually saved a few bucks.

Just my 2 pennies.

superduperwesman 11-17-2008 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan_Lap (Post 360744)
Well maybe it would be possible to get some clarification, rather than everyone trying to guess what the rules should be. I just want to figure out my stock list.

:agrue:

Yeah we demand a verdict! ahah

superduperwesman 11-17-2008 09:51 PM

I just make up my own pricing:

- Clown fish = $2.99
- Snail = $.01
- Bubble Algae = $10.00/bubble

KIDDING! Me so funny :D ahah

Ryan_Lap 11-17-2008 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by superduperwesman (Post 360748)
Bubble Algae $10.00/bubble

Then I have about $500 0f that for sale in my tank. Anyone that can get it out Ill let them have it for an awesome "score of a deal".....Free :lol:

ElGuappo 11-17-2008 10:03 PM

how much for cyno? i now am running a koralia 1, and nano on this tank and still have cyno. whats up with that? its going away but not fast enough.

OFF topic here but, can bubble algae be used as macro in a ref?

rocketlily 11-17-2008 10:12 PM

Please don't forget to include $10.00 a head for Aipitasia. Wow, I'm way over budget!!!:lol:

sphelps 11-18-2008 12:14 AM

So all kidding aside do we have a final verdict on this current issue?

Also would like to discuss this "sale" and "good deal" pricing and when it can be used.

The way I see it you can only use a sale price if you actually bought your items at that sale. Obviously it's the honor system but we can't have people constantly scoping for good deals and changing their pricing every time they find one.

Same for "good deal" you need to actually score a good deal and provide the receipt if requested.

Once budget is updated it should be frozen in, unless livestock is removed for some reason other than death. Or we could say since the Nov 15th deadline has passed once budget is updated it can't be changed, corals can't be removed once added to budget.

JDigital 11-18-2008 12:16 AM

Well why don't we scrap the "good deal" thing. sphelps and I have already argued the "honor system"...

JL, LA, or Price list (stickied one) for Coral/Fish prices only? ... Will that keep everyone happy?

sphelps 11-18-2008 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JDigital (Post 360791)
Well why don't we scrap the "good deal" thing. sphelps and I have already argued the "honor system"...

JL, LA, or Price list (stickied one) for Coral/Fish prices only? ... Will that keep everyone happy?

You haven't addressed my issues. I'm not talking about the honor system.

And you'll have to scrap sale prices as well if you do that, same thing.

JDigital 11-18-2008 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sphelps (Post 360792)
You haven't addressed my issues. I'm not talking about the honor system.

And you'll have to scrap sale prices as well if you do that, same thing.

What was ur issue? I musta missed it

sphelps 11-18-2008 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JDigital (Post 360795)
What was ur issue? I musta missed it

Post #100 This thread

JDigital 11-18-2008 12:38 AM

First off, Can I obliterate the "good deal" thing without it affecting anyones budget? Please let me know everyone.... It would be nice to not have to deal with the whole receipt thing, and just use the 3 outlined price sources...

Second, There will be no using sale prices. Now that I have given it some thought, and seen what people are doing, it's not fair. You can't stumble across a sale months later and then claim that price. I know this might upset a few, but its only fair.

sphelps 11-18-2008 12:45 AM

I would prefer to keep the good deal and sale opportunities, I haven't used them yet but I've been hoping to get a good deal on one particular piece of livestock, been waiting for it for that reason. I just think we should agree that a sale is a "good deal" you have to get the deal not just say you could of.

But either way I'll go with the majority on that.

noirsphynx 11-18-2008 01:17 AM

I thought we were only going by the 3 sources to begin with anyhow when it concerned livestock.
I agree that we should not change the price after the livestock has been added but what if we have not added a certain piece of livestock yet and it goes on sale on J&L or LA and we decide to add it at that tme, can we use the sale price? I'm asking because I have 4 sexy shrimp that I've been debating to either sell or add to my tank.

JDigital 11-18-2008 01:26 AM

I want everyone to give me your opinion of what YOU would like to have happen. I will weigh in everyones opinions and make the executive decision. If you don't post your opinion, don't come yelling at me when I make the choice of how prices are going to be handled from here on out.

1. Personally. I want to scrap the "good deal from another reefer" and simply use the 3 sources.

For Corals: Price List FIRST.. not on there, then use JL and LA...

For Livestock: JL and LA.

2. I want to scrap the use of Sale prices (from TODAY forward). If you buy it on sale, thats great that you actually saved out of pocket, but take the prices we have layed out on the 3 sources. It will save ALOT of headaches down the road.

sphelps 11-18-2008 01:29 AM

I already stated mine but to clarify.

I think keep "good deal" for both hardware and livestock. But a sale is a "good deal" it's the same thing and you have to actually purchase from the sale to use it.

EDIT: I also think it's an important strategy to be able to take advantages of sales and good deals in such a contest, but of course you have to actually get the deal and if absolutely necessary post a receipt to verify.

ElGuappo 11-18-2008 01:39 AM

they way i see it we should all use the websites or pricelist for all. any good deals on hardware can be kept. providing recept. or Honor. :mrgreen:

I have returned the price of the shrimp i changed today, providing all is well with that, i am gain under budet as per JD's last post of "from today on . "

Scythanith 11-18-2008 02:25 AM

If you get a good deal/sale and you have proof, then go for it. This would apply for both livestock and equipment.

If you buy livestock and/or equipment and get it in your tank and put it in your budget update... you should NOT be allowed to go back and alter the budget if you finda better deal down the road. That's not fair.


I agree with JDigital's price breakdown: The canreef list first, then the predetermined retailers. Livestock should not be applicable for the "used" discount. Livestock should not be removed from your budget if it dies.

It doesn't really affect me yet as I haven't added livestock.

noirsphynx 11-18-2008 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JDigital (Post 360818)
I want everyone to give me your opinion of what YOU would like to have happen. I will weigh in everyones opinions and make the executive decision. If you don't post your opinion, don't come yelling at me when I make the choice of how prices are going to be handled from here on out.

1. Personally. I want to scrap the "good deal from another reefer" and simply use the 3 sources.

For Corals: Price List FIRST.. not on there, then use JL and LA...

For Livestock: JL and LA.

2. I want to scrap the use of Sale prices (from TODAY forward). If you buy it on sale, thats great that you actually saved out of pocket, but take the prices we have layed out on the 3 sources. It will save ALOT of headaches down the road.

I agree but for used equipment I think we should get a discounted price.

JDigital 11-18-2008 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by noirsphynx (Post 360838)
I agree but for used equipment I think we should get a discounted price.

Yea, this discussion has nothing to do with equipment.. this is just for LS and Coral. :)

sphelps 11-19-2008 04:51 PM

Don't mean to rush you but can we make a decision on this? I'll have to cancel an order if we're eliminating the "good deal" clause for livestock and time is a factor.

JDigital 11-19-2008 06:58 PM

Ok.

We are going to leave the "good deal" thing as long as the proof (I don't like that word) is provided.

You can NOT go back into your budget and edit prices when you find them cheaper.

Sale Prices can only be used if you bought the item FROM that sale and provide the proof (if you used a Sale price before Today [November 19, 2008] I am allowing you to keep it so it doesn't fubar anyones budget).

Coral Prices are to be taken from the stickied Price List FIRST, if its not there, then use JL or LA. (ie: Anemones)

Dead coral or fish can not be removed from your budget (SUCKS FOR ME!!!). Be Honest!

Hope this works for everyone. :wink:

sphelps 11-19-2008 07:48 PM

Sounds good. Thanks!

JDigital 11-20-2008 12:28 AM

Something dawned on me today while I was at the LFS...

What is everyones thoughts on a replacement specimens of they die? They aren't getting removed from the budget, but if the LFS is willing to replace them at no charge because they died within 24-48hrs of purchase, Should we be able to restock those SPECIFIC specimens at no charge? (It can not be a different fish, it has to be the same as what died). LFS stores DO, do this is the real world, so I'm just tossing it out there.

DISCLAIMER:

Yes, it would help me in my situation, however think about yourselfs down the road, this could save your butt. :wink:

sphelps 11-20-2008 01:35 AM

Well we don't all have that luxury. Not all LFSs replace livestock, even if it dies within a day or two. So the way I see it you got yourself a "good deal" but by your rules you need proof and nothing is free.

Ryan_Lap 11-20-2008 01:39 AM

I thought your fish died because your tank wasnt properly cycled. I have yet to find a LFS that would replace fish because of that.

I could be wrong though.

JDigital 11-20-2008 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sphelps (Post 361440)
Well we don't all have that luxury. Not all LFSs replace livestock, even if it dies within a day or two. So the way I see it you got yourself a "good deal" but by your rules you need proof and nothing is free.

I'm sure the LFS would provide a receipt for the replacement. :wink:


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