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monza 04-15-2005 10:10 PM

So the cold method is mean? How about boiling water... but seriously I once had an over heating issue, took out my tank and I was told they would have felt no pain. There body temp. rises they go into a comma type state and it's pretty much over. That was with a slow rise in temp. Boiling water I'd say they'd be done in a split second.

I've also read fish don't really feel pain the way humans do so I don't think it is a real issue. Whatever method makes 'you' more comfortable is the one to use I would guess.

Dave ( no... I have never tried the deliberate boil method)

Rikko 04-16-2005 12:02 AM

I hate that argument.. I can counter with a stupid philosophical argument that can't be argued against: nobody feels pain like I do. Mine really hurts, you guys just make noises and squeal but it's not like mine. "Pain" is the CNS informing the body in unsubtle terms that there is something happening that is threatening the organism. Whether or not it's "ow" for fish or something else, it's still that signal.

BTW, if anybody read that link I posted on page 1, it suggests freezing water for tropical fish and boiling water for coolwater fish (like goldfish and carp). I did the freezing method with a couple of discus that were doing the typical "I'm a stupid discus and wanna take a year to die" thing.. I threw an ice cream bucket of water in the freezer until it had about an inch of ice on the surface, then broke it away and plopped the fish in. He twitched once. Apparently the enormous shock will actually blast their nervous system instantaneously, but that claim is about as strong as fish not feeling pain, or DEAD_BY_DAWN being human.

DEAD_BY_DAWN 04-16-2005 12:07 AM

The truth is i pay a midget $4.75 to bite there heads off and spit them at me.

jws444 04-16-2005 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by UnderWorldAquatics
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Originally Posted by Willow
comeone please we are talking about a pet here, not a trout. have some respect.

if my dog or cat was suffering to the point that most peoples fish are at when the owner finally decides to do something about it, I would not put my dog in the freezer, I wouldnt drown him, I would most likely take him to the woods immediadly and shoot him or cut his throat/sever his spine.....

Call me a barbarian, I would be doing it out of love for my pet....

I dont consider prolonging suffering, having respect....


You're comparing a warm blooded animal to a cold blooded one. It's totally not the same. Fish do not shiver to death and die from hypothermia. Their metabolisms just slow down to compensate for the temperature and they literally just 'fall asleep.' Now shoving a dog into a freezer is another issue...

AJ_77 04-16-2005 12:19 AM

...and I got scolded for asking about a cat.

DEAD_BY_DAWN 04-16-2005 12:20 AM

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Now shoving a dog into a freezer is another issue..
But take it from me its worth the extra $3.00 :biggrin:

Aquattro 04-16-2005 12:38 AM

I know my dog wouldn't fit in my freezer, so I'd have to whack him with a rock.
Anyone considered the quick journey to the floor from about shoulder height? That would be quick.

DEAD_BY_DAWN 04-16-2005 12:43 AM

Well i guess for those of you with small breads a packet of gravel would work quite well.

Samw 04-16-2005 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by monza
So the cold method is mean?

I'd say that fish can sense/feel temperature. I'm guessing that this prevents them from swimming towards non-tropical waters. If cold water doesn't stress them, then they would unknowingly migrate into cold or arctic waters (and die) which they clearly don't do. So that's why I think they would be stressed in the freezer before they die. I would agree with John and whack them on the head. I don't know about club soda. Its like being dunked into acid. shock shock. PH shock at least for a period of time before death.

UnderWorldAquatics 04-16-2005 01:00 AM

is it wrong that Im sitting here eating my oreo ice cream laughing hystericially..... :mrgreen:


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