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untamed 01-28-2010 11:43 PM

Actually, it turns out it was my Foxface that just turned "2" in the tank. The Achilles was added in May, 2007...so he's actually closer to "3", than "2".

Checking the records also tells me that my oldest fish is "Chuck" the (now) female clown who will be 4 years in April. Mostly, I still have young fish.

pascalsimpson 01-31-2010 06:51 AM

I'd love to go have a drink at your place

untamed 02-05-2010 11:05 PM

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/IMG_1431.jpg
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es355lucille 02-05-2010 11:50 PM

That is a beauty Tank!! WOW

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/IMG_1431.jpg

Tracey2 02-13-2010 12:44 PM

I must have missed this but can you explain how your water gets from sump 1 to sump 2. I know sump one is elevated but the pumbing to sump 2 goes in at the top, how is the water traveling up?

Doug 02-13-2010 02:57 PM

Superb work. What a beautiful display.

untamed 02-15-2010 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tracey2 (Post 491887)
I must have missed this but can you explain how your water gets from sump 1 to sump 2. I know sump one is elevated but the pumbing to sump 2 goes in at the top, how is the water traveling up?

Sump 1 (my Water change Sump), is just slightly higher than Sump 2 (Main sump)..but only 1" or 2" higher. The water level in sump 1 however, is significantly higher than Sump 2.

This is achieved because the sumps are connected by a Herbie "overflow" system. Sump 1 is bulkheaded at the bottom and connected directly to sump 2. There is a gate valve on this connection. If the gate valve is wide open, then the two sumps settle out at the same operating water level. But since the gate valve is partly closed, it takes more pressure to push the water through and the water level in Sump 1 is higher.

As it is not advisable to run a standard Herbie system with a single pipe, there is a second overflow connection that would kick in only if the water level in Sump 1 ever got too high.

This is the most unusual of the 4 Herbie overflows in my system.

Tracey2 02-15-2010 06:46 PM

Thanks for the info, so when you do a water change you just close the valve to sump 2, empty sump 1 and fill again? So you don't have to shut return pumps or anything off?

untamed 02-15-2010 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tracey2 (Post 492432)
Thanks for the info, so when you do a water change you just close the valve to sump 2, empty sump 1 and fill again? So you don't have to shut return pumps or anything off?

Yup, that is exactly it.

As soon as I stop the flow between the sumps, sump 1 fills up capturing 50 gallons. As soon as it fills, I stop the flow INTO sump 1 and that sump is now completely isolated even as the return pump continues to run. (water just flows directly into sump 2 through the Herbie emergency drain).

I then dump sump 1, and refill it with new SW which is pumped in from the mixing tank. Then put the sump back into circulation. One advantage of this system is that I get to drain away any stuff that has settled in Sump 1 when I dump it. It is a good way to get rid of detritis.

Tracey2 02-15-2010 08:00 PM

Perfect, I am setting up a new tank and your thread has given me all kinds of ideas, thanks for sharing.

bvlester 02-15-2010 08:36 PM

great tank and some great idears in this thread.

Bill

Tracey2 02-22-2010 10:55 PM

Is there any reason if I didn't have the same space you have that I couldn't bypass the sw mixing container and have that be sump #1. So I would just close sump 1, rinse and drain, add salt and ro water and then turn it back on? Love your setup, thanks for your help.

untamed 02-23-2010 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Tracey2 (Post 494745)
Is there any reason if I didn't have the same space you have that I couldn't bypass the sw mixing container and have that be sump #1. So I would just close sump 1, rinse and drain, add salt and ro water and then turn it back on? Love your setup, thanks for your help.

Yes, that would work. But it advisable to mix SW for 24hrs or more before you use it. This would leave that sump out of commission for that length of time. You would also have to design that sump to be a good "mixer" as well as a sump.

That sump would also tend to be clean since you would probably kill anything living in there each time you dumped FW into it. That would probably be a good thing.

Tracey2 02-27-2010 01:07 PM

Thanks for your help. Can I ask how tall your sumps are? One of my sumps is 60x24x24, 36" will be under my DT and 24" in my fishroom/closet, I was planning my stand 36" tall with a door on one end to access the part of the sump under the DT but if I use the 2x6 like you have on top I will not have alot of clearance, could I do the top frame in 2x4 for a 270g tank?

superduperwesman 02-27-2010 03:04 PM

Did I ever tell you how nice your tank is...? :) Amazing!

untamed 02-27-2010 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tracey2 (Post 496497)
Thanks for your help. Can I ask how tall your sumps are? One of my sumps is 60x24x24, 36" will be under my DT and 24" in my fishroom/closet, I was planning my stand 36" tall with a door on one end to access the part of the sump under the DT but if I use the 2x6 like you have on top I will not have alot of clearance, could I do the top frame in 2x4 for a 270g tank?

I'm not an engineer, so I don't know for certain what you can and cannot do.

I believe it is the span of the top frame that drives the choice. In my case, that span was 4 feet and I used 2x6's on edge about 12" apart from each other. This turned out to be plenty of support. (overbuilt)

I don't know the dimensions of your 270 gallon tank, but I would guess that the width is less than 4 feet. So maybe you could use 2x4s. You could also use more of them..maybe every 6" or 8".

My stand is 40" high, btw.

untamed 03-02-2010 05:49 AM

Nice Photo...
 
I'm quite happy with how the tank is doing, but there are always things to deal with.

Last week, the CO2 solenoid stopped working. After purchasing an entire new solenoid, I discovered that the thing is removable and serviceable. It probably only needed a bit of grease. So, I guess I have a spare part now.

After that, I must not have sealed the regulator on the tank properly, because 3 days later I ran out of CO2 without warning. 500lbs one moment...0 the next. It is always something.

Anyway, for your viewing pleasure. Here's Freckles doing what he does best..blocking the view into the aquarium. His tail streamers are really coming along now.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/100_0729.jpg

lastlight 03-02-2010 02:52 PM

Def looks like the tank has turned around again nice pic. Freckles is one stunning piece of fish! And did I read that right...you have a 500lb cylinder?!

How large is the hammer coral across?

christyf5 03-02-2010 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by untamed (Post 497480)
After that, I must not have sealed the regulator on the tank properly, because 3 days later I ran out of CO2 without warning. 500lbs one moment...0 the next. It is always something.

My tank used to do that all the time to me. It would read 500 for the longest time, then be completely dead. I just figured it wasn't sensitive enough to read anything in the "redline" below 500.

Freckles is quite the photogenic fish :biggrin: How big is he now?

untamed 03-02-2010 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by christyf5 (Post 497532)
My tank used to do that all the time to me. It would read 500 for the longest time, then be completely dead. I just figured it wasn't sensitive enough to read anything in the "redline" below 500.

Freckles is quite the photogenic fish :biggrin: How big is he now?

You might be right about the sensitivity of the regulator. I may not have had a leak at all.

...and for Lastlight....500lbs is bad shorthand for 500 "lbs per sq. inch...psi". It is only a 10lb tank. It lasts me at least 6 months.

It is hard to measure Freckles, even though he poses nicely. I tried to measure him the other day and I get maybe 15" or 16". He seems larger.

You can see the right side of the hammer coral in the previous photo (back left). It is larger than a basketball...smaller than an exercise ball. It is probably 1.5feet diameter. When I carve a hole in it, it fills back in pretty fast. It expands steadily outward maintaining its overall ball shape.

untamed 03-13-2010 12:24 AM

Meet Fang...the Sally Lightfoot
 
Fang is a little seen resident of the tank who is not very photogenic (shy). He's been in the tank now for about 2 years. I don't think he is getting any larger at this point.

I managed to get a reasonably complete moult out of the tank the other day, so this is a good shot of his hollow outsides. As you can see, he's a pretty fair size! Those of you who are keeners for detail will note that the back two legs are missing from this moult.

In the 2nd photo, you might be able to see why he is named Fang. (the moult retains all his unique colorations)

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/100_0028.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/100_0029.jpg

fishytime 03-13-2010 12:36 AM

Das is a big crab!.....Great pics

Skimmerking 03-13-2010 12:49 AM

WOW I see that you are battling red turf algae too, do you find that it goes away and comes back? Im sick of mine i find that if i beef up the phosban it goes away

superduperwesman 03-13-2010 12:52 AM

Very cool pictures!

untamed 03-13-2010 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by asmodeus (Post 501238)
WOW I see that you are battling red turf algae too, do you find that it goes away and comes back? Im sick of mine i find that if i beef up the phosban it goes away

I wouldn't say I was battling it...In fact, I've not paid it any attention whatsoever. What you see there is about what is always there. It doesn't go away, or get worse. That's just how my tank is, I suppose. The orange firecoral seems to eliminate it, but that coral has it's own challenges.

I run some phosban, probably not enough. It is rare that I get any kind of reading on the Hanna LR phosphate photometer.

christyf5 03-13-2010 01:54 AM

Wow! Fang is awesome :cool: I had no idea they got that big. I guess you don't have any small fish for him to catch. I had one about half his size when I started out. I could watch him eat gobies for lunch catching them if they swam too close to his rock.

kien 03-13-2010 02:26 AM

Re: 400 gallon project
 
Whoa!! What exactly do you feed it?!?!

Delphinus 03-13-2010 02:37 AM

What kind of crab? It reminds me of the crab alien things from that (really cheesy) remake of Lost in Space from around 12 years ago...

burtonboy 03-13-2010 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Delphinus (Post 501279)
What kind of crab? It reminds me of the crab alien things from that (really cheesy) remake of Lost in Space from around 12 years ago...

Looks like a sally light foot crab to me!!

Delphinus 03-13-2010 04:01 AM

I agree it sorta looks like one, but I also thought it looked a little different. Then again I've never seen one that big so what do I know. :lol:

untamed 03-13-2010 05:05 AM

It is a Sally Lightfoot. I don't feed him anything, directly. I'm sure he gets his share of the frozen food I feed everyone else. He always seems to be picking at something.

I've seen him have lots of opportunity to grab small fish. Never shown any interest whatsoever.

lastlight 03-13-2010 05:42 AM

So many nice surprises in this tank. You've done things just a little differently and that makes your tank ever cooler. Love that crab!

Stevey87 03-21-2010 09:10 AM

This aquarium is art.

plutoniumJoe 03-27-2010 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by untamed (Post 222410)
Progess is steady...but slow. (I suppose it didn't help getting buried by snow this weekend)

I've managed to get the front-access doors installed. The idea behind these doors is to get the look of an in-wall tank, but still have front access when I need it. The doors will be painted to match the beige walls.

Still no high-tech solution to holding the doors up. As you can see, a simple prop actually does a very good job. I think I'll try to make some nice props out of stainless steel or something.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...n/100_0488.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...n/100_0489.jpg

Not to dig up the past, but I am in the process of building my canopy and I like what you did. I had a question though. Does the framing sit directly on the acrylic and if it does do you need to compensate for expansion?

- Joe.

untamed 03-27-2010 04:39 PM

Yes, you have dug up the past!

The weight of the upper walls is carried by the tank. However, there is a layer of that foamy door sill material between the tank and the walls. I did that primarily to prevent water from splashed out the seam.

Those walls are NOT attached to the ceiling. The walls are three pieces (left, right, front) They are screwed to each other and only screwed to the surrounding walls at the back left and back right only.

If you look closely, you might be able to see the foam layer in this photo. You can also see the bolts that connect the left and right frames to the front frame.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...n/100_0479.jpg

untamed 03-31-2010 05:36 AM

Photo updates
 
Things are going quite well. Nothing unusual to report...coral growing, fish growing... It is nice not to have any crisis at the moment.

Glass and sand both happen to be clean at the same time, so that seemed a good reason to take some photos!

Left:
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/IMG_1583.jpg
Right:
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/IMG_1582.jpg

Lance (the unicorn) as he usually struts around in the evening trying to impress somebody.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/IMG_1571.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/IMG_1569.jpg

Hard to get the camera out and not take a few photos of these two.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/IMG_1570.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/IMG_1560.jpg

andestang 03-31-2010 06:00 AM

Love the Achilles, looks nice and fat :)

untamed 05-07-2010 04:19 AM

Updated FTVs
 
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/IMG_1585.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...s/IMG_1584.jpg

christyf5 05-07-2010 04:23 AM

Wow Brad, the tank is looking great. I can't believe how huge your fish are! Love the gorgonians, how many different types do you have in there?

Chaloupa 05-07-2010 04:26 AM

Looking fantastic! To have a large tank like yours would be a dream come true!


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