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prob so , its something you cant get an answer for , there very well may be set ups that do not have it , how does one tell "exactly" ?? fact is if your fish is showing it visibly then it needs immediate care, be it better water or meds etc. i havent seen ich in my tanks in years through many different set ups , though im sure it could be there i did things to make sure the fish were healthy enough to never show it. the fact that its visible should be a red alarm right there. |
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part of owning a nano tank is limiting your self to livestock, its playing the patience game , a nano idea is supposed to house a smaller version of a large ecosystem , not a large ecosystem crammed into a small nano, this creates alot of problems for less than 20g of water. just pointing it out the money youve spent on fish and coral so far could have been a qt tank or even 2. ps.....six lines are evil and its goig to be one of the worst purchases youve ever had .....all mine always have been:( they do become too large for your size tank but thats at adult sizes:) |
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in my 25g tank i have 1 fish not because of the size.... its not always about the size of the tank... fact is fish graze,hunt,dash and chase and do all sorts of things, i bet there are a dozen more fish i can get in there as long as i choose them appropriately. based on the ecosystem i can provide for them. when you mix species there has to be that personal space, fish are no different then any other animal and do not do well when they are crammed. aggression happens....over time territroy gets established..... the weaker of the bunch are at the bottom of the chain and subject to death.....while new comers are stressed instantly. |
Yah I know. I have this tendency of learning things the hard way and here's an example :(
I bought the wrasse because my tank had very little movement. The firefish keeps on hiding and when it comes out, only stays at one place while the clown, well its hosting a side of the tank and since sixlines are very active, I got this. I did plan on getting a cherub but they were nowhere to be found in calgary. BTW I didn't under "this is kinda the opposite of what you said about not wanting to throw the money for a qt....if you believed there was more to it then money you would in fact have no prob ponying up the doh for it???" :redface: |
For me it was simply ignorance... I simply did not know that there wasn't an effective reef safe cure for Ich. I have lots of freshwater experience, so when there was Ich present it was no problem to dump in some coppermine. But the moment I saw Ich in my reef tank I was pretty suprised that in 2012 there still is no effective reef safe cure.
I can't believe that people couldn't be bothered to spend $150 on a QT system, but will spend $1000's on fish. I guess part of the problem is that we all want to take home that cool looking fish and put it in our display tanks right away and not in the small QT tank for two weeks. But I for one will be following QT procedures in the future. I just hope that the Ich in my system will fully dissipate. Any thoughts on if you don't see Ich for 2- 3 months if it will actually be gone? or still be present just waiting for a weak immune system? |
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what i kinda meant was that you spent easily $500 in coral and fish but when it came time to throw for qt you said money is an issue?? no offense and its a common mistake people make:) |
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Oh no no no. I have hardly spend $200 for the livestock. :P
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my point exactly lol you mentioned earlier about the refractometer...i remember that thread.....this is the exact same thing over again:P |
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Well lets forget about the money. Sometimes, we have to overlook it and till now, I have done it and I am ready to do it (even if I have to cut down the meal per day :P). I just need to cure my fish :( |
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Fallow for 2 months right?
And can I leave the corals and inverts in the DT? |
I have a couple hundred worth of inverts coming from JL and I had two small fish added. I cancelled the fish yesterday, as my quarantine is not ready and after reading some of these threads and velvet threads, I decided just cant take that chance, even if very small.
My 12yr. old clowns are the only inhabitants of my 30g reef tank and even though they are pig headed "blanks", I would hate for anything to happen to them. |
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Everything I read suggests that Ich can only live on fish not inverts or coral. |
The liverock and biofilter survive very well in hyposalinity but all pods will die, including aiptasia (good thing), feather duster, sea stars etc...they will all die.
It is best to treat in a QT and put a few pieces of liverock in there. The bacterias survive just fine and do their job in hyposalinity, so no worry about a cycle. Of course a skimmer will not work, so a small filter hang on tank like a magnum is usefull, especially with the micron filter to help catch those nasty parasites in the water. This is why QT is so important because it may be a hassle to do a proper quarantine but it is FAR more of a hassle to have to treat fish once they are in the main tank full of rock and infected and suffering and dying. Having to deal with an infected tank is no better as each bout of stress can bring on a full level infection. YOu got ich and it killed a few of your fish...you can imagine what velvet would do. All your fish would probably be dead, even if you treated them. It is that fast. REally sad about your fish. Quote:
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Ich can be such a pain!!!!!
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I stopped using that Herbatana BS and just did a nice big 20% water change, turned up the flow on my UV sterilizer to the recommended flow rate to kill protozoa and every one looks much healthier (except I did lose my flame angel), only my rusty angel has a few spots on him, but every day the spots are getting fewer. I really thought I was going to lose my sail fin tang, phew!
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Well like the saying goes "every tank is different from every other tank". Some find that herbals work while others don't. For example, ick attack is working great for me. My fishes are well recovered.
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And probably still infected. Ich has a cycle and I suspect that when ever the snake oil remedies work is probably because the ich cycle come and go, or it was not ich to begin with.
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Yah I do agree it that. Stress does play a very important role for ich.
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What "snake oil remedies" are you referring to? |
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I read something very interesting over at RC about Ich. Apparently Ich dies out in a tank if no new Ich infested water/fish is introduced into a system for 9 - 11 months. Something about after the 35th generation the population isn't genetically viable anymore.
I don't really understand exactly why that is, becuase Ich is a single cell organisum, it doesn't reproduce sexually. I am still skeptical, but the source seemed to be legit, and referenced some actual research. |
I guess ich is one of the MOST debatable topic in this hobby :P
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anything that is labeled "reef safe" and that you can add to a tank with corals.
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Its not just about adding fish, just infected water, so corals too.
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