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Aqua Man 12-17-2010 02:01 PM

I was reading the posts here, pretty good stuff. I own a very reputable construction company, just south of Calgary, and been itching to get back into making some monster aquariums in peoples houses. We are lisenced, bonded and insured.

I would only consider a few projects per year and the systems must be over 2,000 gallons for me and my crew to take on. I am not really interested in taking your Walmart speacial 25 gal and cuting a hole in your wall... I am talking about good old steel and cement structures that will hold tanks up to 15,000 gallons in you basement. Are you drueling yet? LOL It can be done.

Corey

rjengen 12-17-2010 02:02 PM

Red Coral built my tank last year, and I drove 16 hours round trip to pick it up :lol: If I had done a little more research, I might have had it done in Edmonton where it would have been a little closer, but honestly the tank I had built is beautiful...Starphire glass, polished and bevelled edges, eurobraced. The custom work coming out of RC is second to none, and like they say, you get what you pay for...and if paying a little extra means the build is done right the first time, it's worth it...and I don't loose sleep at night thinking about a tank failure, shaddy building techniques, or materials that were designed for something else...say...shower doors?

kien 12-17-2010 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Aqua Man (Post 574120)
I was reading the posts here, pretty good stuff. I own a very reputable construction company, just south of Calgary, and been itching to get back into making some monster aquariums in peoples houses. We are lisenced, bonded and insured.

I would only consider a few projects per year and the systems must be over 2,000 gallons for me and my crew to take on. I am not really interested in taking your Walmart speacial 25 gal and cuting a hole in your wall... I am talking about good old steel and cement structures that will hold tanks up to 15,000 gallons in you basement. Are you drueling yet? LOL It can be done.

Corey

Holy smokes that sounds awesome! Do you have any monster tank references? Pictures? :D

dave_C 12-17-2010 02:33 PM

was this referring to me? as i didn't reminder talking to you or giving you a quote on a tank. If i did, i will apologize for confusing you, normally i am a very easy going guy to deal with:lol: Why didn't you post some details of what you are looking for and i will see what i can help you out with, as i am give a giving mood this month lol

[quote=Magma;574105]heard mixed price ranges from them, so im on the fence with ordering a tank right now.

Aquattro 12-17-2010 02:37 PM

Gang, let's please keep any advertising type posts out of this thread, ok? If you're a builder and would like to sign up for advertising space, please contact us privately.
Thanks

Magma 12-17-2010 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by conceptaquariums (Post 574127)
was this referring to me? as i didn't reminder talking to you or giving you a quote on a tank. If i did, i will apologize for confusing you, normally i am a very easy going guy to deal with:lol: Why didn't you post some details of what you are looking for and i will see what i can help you out with, as i am give a giving mood this month lol



no no just looking through build threads I have seen the prices ranges, I was talking about elite that I got the crap service from.

mseepman 12-17-2010 04:48 PM

It's sad that your experience at Elite was so bad as the tank I got there from Jay is beyond anything I could have hoped for. The sump is awesome! Now I just got to get it all going...lol.

Magma 12-17-2010 05:12 PM

Im pretty picky when it comes to customer service and when I get a bad experience right away it shows to me there not worth my time no matter how good his tanks might look.

lastlight 12-17-2010 05:37 PM

Jay != Colby.

I'm pretty sure you can deal directly with him if you want to these days. Jay's a good guy and does care.

globaldesigns 12-17-2010 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 574165)
Jay != Colby.

I'm pretty sure you can deal directly with him if you want to these days. Jay's a good guy and does care.

+1, Colby is out of the picture now anyways. I would give Jay a chance.

I myself would never deal with Colby again, even if he was in the biz still. But I would diffinately try to deal with Jay again. He does build an awesome tank, and mine is from him.

I would suggest trying to see tanks. I myself would offer my tank so you can see Jay's work, maybe others can offer theirs to view also. Then you can make an educated choice.

Happy Holiday's Everyone!!!

Magma 12-17-2010 07:27 PM

I have seen some work from bow valley, I have seen a tank built from jay and I have seen a bunch that red coral has made, also saw a tank that Wai's built and they look great..

I have to admit Wai's quality on the edges wasnt as great as others and he mentioned that himself that buffing the edges costs more and takes more time i understand that. I actually have a 35gal tank that bow valley built and I noticed the glass is a little over kill on it, in fact my power heads magnets dont have a lot of strength through it..guess thats what happens on 1/2" thick glass, the edges though look fine sure theres a few burs on the edge but nothing major.

chris121277 12-18-2010 01:06 AM

I just got had a custom built tank from Golds....not sure but I think BowValley builds theirs......and I would recommend staying away from them, I was very disappointed in the finishing.


I have been dealing with Denis for 10 years.....and I don't think I will ever go back there.


Horrible edges......caulking smudges all over the glass, returns in the wrong place.....and an almost unworkable over flow....but I guess you get what you pay for.

90 gal 48x22wx20h $425 and didn't even include the bulk heads

Palmer 12-18-2010 01:27 AM

I bought a tank used that was supposedly made by Bow Valley. No problems as far as I'm concerned. Granted I am not that particular, it was my first tank of its kind. No leaks, two returns one in each top corner, and a working external herbie overflow. There was a soap dish attached to the side but I was easily able to pull it off.....:biggrin:

I have seen one or two custom tanks at red coral and at least at a distance they looked really good.

lastlight 12-18-2010 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Palmer (Post 574259)
There was a soap dish attached to the side but I was easily able to pull it off.....:biggrin:

Ok that was awesome haha.

Aqua Man 12-18-2010 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by chris121277 (Post 574254)
I just got had a custom built tank from Golds....not sure but I think BowValley builds theirs......and I would recommend staying away from them, I was very disappointed in the finishing.
I have been dealing with Denis for 10 years.....and I don't think I will ever go back there. Horrible edges......caulking smudges all over the glass, returns in the wrong place.....and an almost unworkable over flow....but I guess you get what you pay for.

90 gal 48x22wx20h $425 and didn't even include the bulk heads


I thought Denis and David stop getting their tanks from Mitch? I guess not. I am guilty of owning one of Bow Valleys tanks, it is an inwall so I didn't care about the finishing much. They did do a good job as far as I am concerned though. It is a 48x20x24 so a custom 100gal, with a smoked glass 65gal sump. Originally they threw in all the plumbing, bulk heads, pumps, unions, ball valves, bio balls, floss etc... The pumps where cheap and had to be changed out in like a few months, but all in all I though I got a good deal.

I personally want to get back into building large monster tanks, so I doubt I will get them again, as I will just do it our selves. After reading several posts on various topics Mitch has got some bad Juju. He is an odd fella, but when I delt with him personally he was a typical business man, just louder. LOL

Corey

lastlight 12-18-2010 03:46 PM

It's tough to compare tanks by this LFS vs tanks by that LFS. Maybe they don't all play builder swap but I know there is a lot of crossover in the industry. You basically find out that almost every tank is built by either Mitch, Gary or Jay. Better comparisons would be builder vs builder. I don't think any of them (Mitch included) build a bad tank. Some are cleaner than others and some can provide finishes that the others can't. Recently it seems that that splits the camp into Mitch on one side and Gary and Jay on the other. I would always ask my LFS who's working on my tank. If they wouldn't say I'd go elsewhere as that matters to me.

globaldesigns 12-18-2010 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Palmer (Post 574259)
There was a soap dish attached to the side but I was easily able to pull it off.....:biggrin:.

I am rolling on the floor, just too hilarious :lol:

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Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 574362)
It's tough to compare tanks by this LFS vs tanks by that LFS. Maybe they don't all play builder swap but I know there is a lot of crossover in the industry. You basically find out that almost every tank is built by either Mitch, Gary or Jay. Better comparisons would be builder vs builder. I don't think any of them (Mitch included) build a bad tank. Some are cleaner than others and some can provide finishes that the others can't. Recently it seems that that splits the camp into Mitch on one side and Gary and Jay on the other. I would always ask my LFS who's working on my tank. If they wouldn't say I'd go elsewhere as that matters to me.

Very well put, and I agree.

RDNanoGuy 12-19-2010 11:44 AM

I have to agree with the above comments.... I personally have many tanks built by Mitch/Bob at Bow Valley, all of them are well built servicable tanks. They may not be the epitome of quality finishing but they are on par with the likes of Hagen/Oceanic/Allglass/etc. Sure they may not be as nice as the ones Jay builds with the fancy edges and one piece eurobraces but they are a heck of alot more affordable.

Just my $0.02.

RDNanoGuy 12-19-2010 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rjengen (Post 574121)
materials that were designed for something else...say...shower doors?

Thats an old myth.... Mitch does use some textured glass but only in terrariums on the back to add visual interest. Also all his glass is new, he just gets a good deal on off-cuts from the glass manufacturing biz.

fishytime 12-19-2010 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RDNanoGuy (Post 574506)
Thats an old myth.... Mitch does use some textured glass but only in terrariums on the back to add visual interest. Also all his glass is new, he just gets a good deal on off-cuts from the glass manufacturing biz.

not true......I have personally seen with mine own two eyes a tank from there with frosting on the bottom pane

Magma 12-19-2010 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fishytime (Post 574528)
not true......I have personally seen with mine own two eyes a tank from there with frosting on the bottom pane

the sump I have from bow valley has a textured bottom pain almost like shower door glass...

Palmer 12-19-2010 04:27 PM

:pop2:

Too early to crack open a beer, coke zero will have to do.

Aqua Man 12-19-2010 04:30 PM

Nvm, my question was answered

chris121277 12-19-2010 04:38 PM

IMO if you want a cheap tank and don't care about the finish, then by all means go ahead and use him.

But if you have spent months planning a tank, 3 weeks building a stand and want everything perfect......spend the extra bucks.

Especially if you live out of province and can't even check out the tank before it is delivered to your house....don't do it. I just think that they thought since it was being shipped to B.C. they could just slap it together get caulking smears all over the glass (inside and out) and it didn't matter because I wasn't going to re-crate it and spend another $150 to ship it back.

chris121277 12-19-2010 04:43 PM

Sorry for ranting on your thread here....this is still a touchy subject with me....as you can probably tell.....lol

Aqua Man 12-19-2010 04:44 PM

You can use a flat blade and scrape silicone off glass, I own a window, door, and siding company and we have scrape chaulking(glazing) smears all the time with a flat razor blade.


Corey

Aqua Man 12-19-2010 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chris121277 (Post 574539)
Sorry for ranting on your thread here....this is still a touchy subject with me....as you can probably tell.....lol

We understand you had a bad experience with them. I however did not. I imagine when you build as many tanks as they do; you are going to have a few manufacture defects. He has 5-6 employees, could have been made on a friday, could have been a rookie who made it... Regardless we are not really allowed to bash anyone on this site. You can tell us of your experiences, but just be careful as the moderaters are reading this too. I don't want to see anyone get banned :) this is a happy community.

But between us after reading your posts, I am going to explore all options if I get someone to build my next tank.

Corey

Aquattro 12-19-2010 04:58 PM

As far as BV goes, there are threads here that go back 5 years commenting on the quality and service. All anyone has to do is use the search button and type in Bow Valley. Most aquarium boards have similar threads, search on BV or Inter-American.
As stated, please convey your experiences without any name calling, and hope that people in the market for tanks use the search function and do their homework.

chris121277 12-19-2010 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aqua Man (Post 574543)
We understand you had a bad experience with them. I however did not. I imagine when you build as many tanks as they do; you are going to have a few manufacture defects. He has 5-6 employees, could have been made on a friday, could have been a rookie who made it... Regardless we are not really allowed to bash anyone on this site. You can tell us of your experiences, but just be careful as the moderaters are reading this too. I don't want to see anyone get banned :) this is a happy community.

But between us after reading your posts, I am going to explore all options if I get someone to build my next tank.

Corey

Thats why I apologized for ranting http://smileys.on-my-web.com/reposit.../beer-wink.gif

Magma 12-19-2010 06:12 PM

Even after reading everyones comments on which company does it best or which looks nicer it all comes down to the simple question, how much am I willing to spend on 5 pieces of glass and some silicon? maybe some holes drilled as well?

prices ranges from $500-$1200 maybe even more as I havent called everywhere yet so how much am I willing to spend on the tank, thats not including pumps, skimmers, heaters, power heads, ATO, plumbing....

Palmer 12-19-2010 06:25 PM

Welcome to SW reefing. I havent been in the SW hobby long but even if you get a tank for free plan on spending a fair amount of money in this hobby even after initial set up.

Magma 12-19-2010 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Palmer (Post 574568)
Welcome to SW reefing. I havent been in the SW hobby long but even if you get a tank for free plan on spending a fair amount of money in this hobby even after initial set up.

Oh i know I have 2 tanks setup right now :D

riceboy 12-19-2010 06:59 PM

Dude just give conceptaquariums a pm. I myself along with a handful of others are getting our tanks built by him. You can keep on posting and what not but if you were to go out to a handful of places and give each on the dimensions of a tank and sump and get a qoute, then you would see which place is the cheapest. I was in the same boat a couple of weeks ago, so I went to 5 places in calgary and got quotes. Then I just chose the best price and looked at the quality in the tanks they built. That's how I ended up getting conceptsaquariums to build my tank.

Magma 12-19-2010 07:59 PM

what size did you get built?

riceboy 12-19-2010 08:21 PM

Check out my tank build. 82.7gal three sides starfire and one piece starfire eurobrace. 3'x2'x22"

michika 12-20-2010 07:25 PM

I'll second the huge thumbs up for Concept Aquariums!

They're building my tank right now (you can click through the link below, its called Tibet). They have spectacular communication, really fair prices, you get to see before hand exactly what you're getting via drawings and sketch ups. They show up when they say they will, and its always a really easy going process. They're well worth the few minutes to send out a PM.

Magma 12-20-2010 09:35 PM

we will see who can offer me the best package for the best price, it wont be till the new year but its good to have a idea of where to go.

DiverDude 12-20-2010 11:51 PM

I understand you don't want to spend a fortune on a tank -no one does. This is a hobby after all and hobbies take discretionary income.

HOWEVER.....this thing is going to hold over ONE HUNDERD GALLONS of salt water in your house. Try this....take a ONE gallon milk jug, fill it with tap water and randomly toss it somewhere in the room you plan to put that tank -that is literally a drop in the bucket of what the scene will be if your tank fails.

Does this mean that if you pay less the tank will fail with water all over ? Certainly not -but would you take the chance ? The tank is like a crash helmet for a race driver; it's the ONE thing you don't cheap on !!

Magma 12-21-2010 12:55 AM

If the tank fails it fails, let face it that could happen to any builder, I think all the ones mentioned would be pretty good and I dont think your paying for that in a tank, your paying for the name a lot of time....

burtonpj48 12-21-2010 05:50 AM

fish tanks
 
I was wondering where concept aquariums is? A contact number would also be better thanks.


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