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legendboy 11-21-2010 03:16 AM

This might be a stupid question but are there any companys that sell real ocean reef water say by the gallon?

Could there be any benifit to maybe adding this say, once a month?

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Originally Posted by Parker (Post 566368)
I wasn't really going to wade in on this discussion, but. To simply state "A salt is a salt is a salt" is quite ignorant in my eyes.

Can anyone here list the exact requirements to keep every living organism in your tank alive and thriving? Without knowing exactly what's needed and exactly what each manufacturer puts in their salt there's no way to determine which salt is best. Just because you can't measure or see a change in your tank based on what salt you use doesn't mean there aren't benefits or detriments to using one salt over another. Discarding the basics of salinity and temperature most people are only testing eleven parameters, I would bet most people aren't testing all eleven on a regulars basis or at all. I don't believe anyone here is naive enough to believe that if you keep these eleven parameters in check that you have what it takes to keep everything alive. The science behind oceanic creatures in still firmly rooted in the infant stage, there is a vast amount we don't know about the ocean and its inhabitants.

I can eat Kraft Dinner every meal for the rest of my life, yeah I'm surviving, yeah I'm fat. Does that mean I'm healthy and thriving? No. We need a vast variety of items to keep us all happy, healthy and thriving. How many elements are in the multi vitamin supplements most people take on a daily basis? I can assure you it's more than eleven. It would be foolish to think the inhabitants in our tanks are any different.

This isn’t meant to detract from any of the work that people such as Bblinks have completed. The work they have done helps in increasing the knowledge of the group as a whole as it pertains to the parameters we do know how to test and control.


Regards


kien 11-21-2010 03:26 AM

I'm thinking about switching to table salt. Does anyone here think that might be a bad idea?

Ross 11-21-2010 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by kien (Post 566830)
I'm thinking about switching to table salt. Does anyone here think that might be a bad idea?

Just use sea salt and youll be fine.

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Bblinks 11-21-2010 03:44 AM

Maybe we can collect rainwater and use that. That's salty, isn't it... Maybe our sweat. Lol

Bblinks 11-21-2010 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by legendboy (Post 566826)
This might be a stupid question but are there any companys that sell real ocean reef water say by the gallon?

Could there be any benifit to maybe adding this say, once a month?

I am sure cribsea had "purified" ocean water in 4 gallon jugs, but don't quote me on it. That might be an interesting aspect. Expensive but worth it.

Reef-Geek 11-25-2010 05:14 PM

Has anyone tried Seachem Reef Salt? I am thinking to switch to it because I was told their Ca value is awesome.

I am using H2Ocean now, and prior that I used IO. Maybe I got a bad batch, I think the H2Ocean salt is cloudier than the IO.

Rogue951 11-25-2010 06:07 PM

I started with IO, now I'm on Seachem, and I honestly can't say I notice a difference. but then I also dose kalk, and magnesium so maybe that's why.
The only difference I notice is that when I get lazy and stop dosing kalk corals stop growing lol...

phi delt reefer 11-25-2010 06:13 PM

IMO...

buy some cheap salt and just dose calc/mag/alk as needed.

calc/mag/alk are SUPER cheap so instead of buying really expensive salt that supposedly has the correct levels just dose and keep your parameters more stable.

Trace elements in all salts are pretty good.

One batch of salt varies from another even though they are from the same company.

Bblinks 11-25-2010 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by phi delt reefer (Post 568001)
IMO...

buy some cheap salt and just dose calc/mag/alk as needed.

calc/mag/alk are SUPER cheap so instead of buying really expensive salt that supposedly has the correct levels just dose and keep your parameters more stable.

Trace elements in all salts are pretty good.

One batch of salt varies from another even though they are from the same company.

AGREED:biggrin:

globaldesigns 11-25-2010 07:03 PM

I just wanted to post what I am seeing using Reefers Best.

1.) Firstly as I stated before, it does seem to mix much cleaner with virtually no residue in the mixing pail. Mixes fast and very clear.

2.) I use to dose my magnesium, and such, but for the past couple months, I have ceased the daily dosings of MG, ALK, Str, Ca and so on. Now I only do one water change, but a much bigger one that I use to do. With the bigger water change, using RB salt, I haven't had to dose anything extra for over a month to keep parameters at the recommended levels.

Not saying others salts can't claim the above, maybe they can, but I can say RB salt is doing what I claim.

Bblinks 11-25-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by globaldesigns (Post 568008)
I just wanted to post what I am seeing using Reefers Best.

1.) Firstly as I stated before, it does seem to mix much cleaner with virtually no residue in the mixing pail. Mixes fast and very clear.

2.) I use to dose my magnesium, and such, but for the past couple months, I have ceased the daily dosings of MG, ALK, Str, Ca and so on. Now I only do one water change, but a much bigger one that I use to do. With the bigger water change, using RB salt, I haven't had to dose anything extra for over a month to keep parameters at the recommended levels.

Not saying others salts can't claim the above, maybe they can, but I can say RB salt is doing what I claim.

THANKS FOR THE INFO, I WILL BE STARTING RB ON SUNDAY. HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME TEST RESULTS POSTED FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTH. I HOPE WE CAN ALL BENEFIT FROM THESE FINDINGS.

JUST CURIOUS. WHEN YOU SAY YOU DON'T DOSE ANYMORE, DO YOU MEAN NOTHING AT ALL? IE CALCIUM REACTOR, TWO PART, OR BALLING.

REGARDS

globaldesigns 11-25-2010 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bblinks (Post 568012)
THANKS FOR THE INFO, I WILL BE STARTING RB ON SUNDAY. HOPEFULLY HAVE SOME TEST RESULTS POSTED FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTH. I HOPE WE CAN ALL BENEFIT FROM THESE FINDINGS.

JUST CURIOUS. WHEN YOU SAY YOU DON'T DOSE ANYMORE, DO YOU MEAN NOTHING AT ALL? IE CALCIUM REACTOR, TWO PART, OR BALLING.

REGARDS

Since doubling the water volume of my weekly (once a week) water change (so replacing 16 gallons a week), I haven't dosed a single drop extra of anything related to MG, St, Ca, ALK... Only using my daily Zeovit stuff, but have also stopped the Zeo Potassium. Only feeding my fish, using CoralVitalizer, ZeoStart, AminoAcids, Coral Snow, ZeoFood7. Nothing else being added.

I have been doing my parameter testing twice a week, and parameters have been spot on, with just doing my water changes.

I have been having some issues with coral death and RTN, but slowing seeing improvements. These improvements are the browning of corals, starting to go away. Tissue growth is now apparent on many corals, and the re-inflaction of open brains, candycanes, and other softies.

Since this seems to be working now for a couple months, I am going to continue with this method. Since I am not adding extra stuff, there is much better control of what is going in the water.

We will see over the next 6 months, 12 months, if just doing water changes keeps working.

randallino 11-26-2010 01:41 AM

globaldesigns
Are you still running pellets?

JOEL 11-26-2010 02:22 AM

what do you use for potassium (brand)?

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Originally Posted by Myka (Post 565767)
:lol: I just dose potassium. It's cheap. :D I have yet to find a salt that doesn't need magnesium dosing. I haven't tried RB though.


freezetyle 11-26-2010 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bblinks (Post 566835)
I am sure cribsea had "purified" ocean water in 4 gallon jugs, but don't quote me on it. That might be an interesting aspect. Expensive but worth it.

Living in victoria i can pretty much walk out my front door and hit water. I should start bottling it up and carting it back in the car to sell to all of you suckers...I mean, land locked people on my way back to calgary over christmas:mrgreen:

Bblinks 11-26-2010 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by freezetyle (Post 568119)
Living in victoria i can pretty much walk out my front door and hit water. I should start bottling it up and carting it back in the car to sell to all of you suckers...I mean, land locked people on my way back to calgary over christmas:mrgreen:

Do it, I am burnaby, I can do the same thing. We should start my owe business and make a killing. Lol. :mrgreen:

Bblinks 11-26-2010 05:46 AM

[quote=globaldesigns;568022]Since doubling the water volume of my weekly (once a week) water change (so replacing 16 gallons a week), I haven't dosed a single drop extra of anything related to MG, St, Ca, ALK... Only using my daily Zeovit stuff, but have also stopped the Zeo Potassium. Only feeding my fish, using CoralVitalizer, ZeoStart, AminoAcids, Coral Snow, ZeoFood7. Nothing else being added.

I have been doing my parameter testing twice a week, and parameters have been spot on, with just doing my water changes.

I have been having some issues with coral death and RTN, but slowing seeing improvements. These improvements are the browning of corals, starting to go away. Tissue growth is now apparent on many corals, and the re-inflaction of open brains, candycanes, and other softies


Again thanks for the detailed reply. I have a good mix of sps and lps in my tank, I use np pellets on a nextreef pellet reactor, carbon is also run through a nextreef smr1. Beside the 3 part 25 ml calcium and alkalinity plus 10 ml of mag, I love zeovit products, xtra, sponge power, coral vitality, b k balance, and potassium iodide,with the np pellets I eliminate the use of all zeovit bacteria
and reactor. I really hope that reefers best is gonna make a difference, I would love to cut back on my dosing regime as much as I love the service from bulk reef supply, I really would like to spend my money in Canada. As of now my calcium is at 460, alkalinity is at 8, mag is around 1200, I really hate my test kit for mag, maybe I is just stupid. :redface: I will post my results here on weekly bases and see if it made a difference or not on the amount I need to dose. Hopefully it will be interesting.:idea:


Regards
Happy reefing
Rich

globaldesigns 11-26-2010 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by randallino (Post 568076)
globaldesigns
Are you still running pellets?

Yup, pellets are still there.


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