re-opened with warning :) Guess we're typing at the same time -lol

Hi Paul,

When you get these corals in are you going to hold them in your tanks until they recouperate before they are shipped or ship them right away?

Names
 

Sticks and stones will break your bones but names will never hurt you..
( known this since i was 2)

Hi Ryan,

We always allow the frags time to recover before reshipping. Not only is it better for the frags but easier on our pocket books because we guarantee the frags for two weeks. So we ensure the frags are recovered before resending out.
Thanks for that great question.

Paul

Haha....Hi Harry,

I'll hold my tongue on that one.

What's the other saying?

It takes a bigger man to take the high road? (or something like that).

Anyways, how have you been? Haven't seen you since late summer. Call and chat when you can.

Cheers

Paul

So Paul.. any news on these yet.. Us people in Vitoria are getting excited!!

Hi Shelley,

The corals arrived yesterday and are recovering from their trip. We will be shipping them out once they are deemed ready.

On another note, we had a surprise inspection by Environment Canada yesterday as well just after the corals arriving. They looked around for about 20 minutes or so and thanked us for our time and left. :)

So please feel rest assured that these corals are given the ok to sell and that you won't be arrested for owning our corals.

Paul

That's too bad.. I was sort of hoping to get on the 6 o'clock news for harbouring illegal corals. Oh well, maybe next time.

You know because they might get out and... grow all over EVERYTHING :surprise:. Why do people waste there time and chase around the good guys, aqua cultured coral is better than ocean collected stuff all across the board.

Paul did you manage to snap any photos?

Hi Levi,

No not yet cause they came in a bit bleached out from the trip. I'm gonna let them recover over the weekend. None of them are for sale at the moment as I still need to go through everyone's preorders. We had a handful of DOA's but the rest are doing fine. Just need some time to recover. I did get some Paly's and Zoos in Levi and I will sort them out before going for sale to the general public. People who prepaid them have priority then it comes down to date and time of PM's for the rest.

Thanks

Paul

Completely understandable, hope everything comes back to it's full potential very excited to see these!

So what's the scoop on our orders? :)

Time for a road trip out to the burbs......

You have PM. West Jet or Fedex?

Thanks

Paul

Wow....Just read the whole thread and as an outsider I have to wonder why a simple question is asked and no answer is given. Are these frags coming from ORA/Tyree directly or indirectly.

Since the answer was never recieved it does make me believe something is being hidden?

For avid SPS collectors the orgin of the coral is important to ensure you are getting what is advertised. If someone told me they wanted to sell me a superman monti the first thing I will natural ask is if it is the real tyree superman. IF they dont know or say it came in as a recent aquacultured then I will pass because I know that all superman look a likes are not as nice and do not hold colour like the orginal and real tyree superman.

So....if I can get an answer that these are not look a likes and can be traced back to oringal sources ie.ORA/Tyree I will be much more enclined to purchase.

Seriously? Give it a rest.... When does anyone know that the Coral they are buying is from the original Coral lineage that first came into North America years ago and then named by the hobbyist that was lucky enough to get the first one...?

Where does anyone find Corals that come with pedigree certificates or documents of DNA lineage? Proof is in the Coral and how it looks... A vendors track record speaks for itself, I am sure it would be obvious by now if OC was pawning off regular everyday aqua cultured Corals...

If you don't like the price or you are paranoid that it isn't the "real deal" then don't buy and leave more Corals available for those that already know they are getting amazing hard to find frags....

Next...

The ORA Red Planet I purchased from Laurier which was purchased from Oceanic came with the original black plug (Direct from ORA). You are debating over the most ridiculous point, if you don't like the coral don't buy it end of story.

This whole pedigree thing is absurd, at the end of the day it's all taken from the ocean regardless of who the distributor is... Why are you people constantly attacking the person who is promoting AQUACULTURED CORAL??? Geez a company tries to bring in a high demand product and every single person has to rip them apart for the details.

Leave it alone, we know it's legal (This has been proven to us) and again if you don't like it don't buy it...

Sorry guys.....but I did not read anyone say they are the real thing (coming from Tyree/ORA direct or otherwise). That was my issue. It is a simple yes or no. What is the problem?

Maybe I just dont know the back story here. Really I'm glad people can get these corals....but to tell you the truth I'm naturally curious on how and if it is legal. If this has already been proven I dont know about it so please point me in the right direction or explain?

Im not trying to be negative...like I said Im glad these corals can be brought in. I would just like to know how it is done.

Sorry but besides the appearance of the coral I have to trust what a person tells me. If a person doesnt know and lies to me and tells me they are then that person is not very honest. See how this works...pretty simple.

Are these frags coming from Tyree/ORA direct or otherwise?

You know there are look a likes that people pawn off as the real thing all the time...that is why its important. Just look at knock of clothes, electronics etc. People pay more for the real thing so that is why I ask.

I really dont see what the big deal is here. I just asked a few questions....

You are so wrong. A coral strain is as important as a dogs pedgree to fanatics. It is important because these named corals are proven to grow, thrive and be colourful in many many different tanks. Wild and aquacultured corals is a much different story...some corals fresh from the reefs just to not hold colour and thrive in captive reef tanks.

Do a search, you will find what your looking for (Believe me there are many a thread out there). I understand your concept of knock off's but you have to realize that were not talking about clothes, were talking about living animals that all come from the same place.

You certainly bring up a good point but at the end of the day these corals are aquacultured and appear as they appear, again the Red Planet I got is actually the fastest growing SPS in my tank. Please look at what your typing, pedigree's for dogs cost $1000's of dollars and involve serious channels and paperwork. Is there anything even remotely close in reefing? If I purchase ORA coral can I get a certificate and then apply to breed said coral? Of course not, you are trying to apply a system that is well established for Dog/Cat breeding to a hobby that has nothing like it.
Levi

This is rediculous. I have no special interest in this one way or another. I dont know the back story (im not on canreef all the time) and all Im getting is the run around.

1)It is simple. Are these frags coming from ORA/Tyree directly or indirectly (frags of corals originally coming from ORA/Tyree)?

2)If so how is it done?

Either tell me that you won't/can't answer these question (which is better then getting the run around). Or if they are legal like you say answer the question honestly.

You know my only interst in this is to figure out how to bring in these frags legally from the states.

If you want you can PM me, cause I feel like im the only one left out on a secret.

dp

I have seen ORA at Big Al's.

I understand where you are coming from and don't feel bad because it appears people are attacking you; however, this has been discussed more time than I can even count. The fact is that nobody is going to tell you the secret because it is a "trade" secret. If it were that easy then everyone would be doing it.

Bingo!

It's like going onto the zeovit forum and demanding that they tell everyone the exact formula of their products.

If its a trade secret how come nobody else in the trade knows the "secret"?

I understand if you found a legal loop hole and don't want to divulge but then at least answer that these are indeed ORA/Tyree corals.... Why have you not done that?

"pedigree's for dogs cost $1000's of dollars and involve serious channels and paperwork."

cool, you sell dogs too paul? any pics?

oh wait. they're not from puppy farms are they?

I take random corals and put names to them, especially one's that people recognize, so that I can charge more money for them. So far it's working.

Thanks but I somehow I don't think you'll be wanting to buy my corals. Too bad.

Paul

I find it very amusing that everyone who's been chiming in and challenging me tend to say: "I have no specific interest whatsoever". Yet they keep on at it.

SO if you don't care, and obviously you have no intentions of buying my corals because unless I give you Steve Tyree's phone number or ORA's farmer's contact and tell you how I get my corals will you let it alone.

This is not gonna happen :mrgreen:

You like my corals via pics and the plagerized name (cause I have not originality) that I use on them or....you don't. If you don't please don't buy from me, I'd hate to have to send you my copy cat corals cause the ocean is full of them.

Thanks, I hope this will finally clarify my stance on this. This will be the absolute last time I will comment on this. (at least until the next flame comes around again).

Have a great one.

Paul

Levi,

Kinda met you today with Mike there. Wish I knew you had a ORA Red Planet could have helped put some money back into your pocket!

And.. we're back! :pop2:

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Psst, hows my tank coming along Paul

Glass cut and ready to go. You've got PM.

Thanks

Paul

I have bought corals from Oceanic Corals on two seperate occasions, communication, shipping, coral size, and price were all above and beyond what I expected. Paul and all the guys at Oceanic have been great to work with.

The coloration of these named coral are awesome, and we should be happy that a vendor in Canada can get these.

To the haters I made a few calls to the waaambulance, it shouldnt be long before they pick you up, in the meantime open up that bottle of Crylenol and take a few.

Cool, totally irrelevant to basically all the bitching going on, but cool.

Vendor-reef community keeping it real as always.

You have cleared up absolutely nothing. All you have done is dance around and change the subject. All I have asked is few simple and honest questions.

When I say I have no interest in the subject I'm referring to the fact that I have no financial or personal stake (im a simple aquarist). You sir have a financial stake and most of the people eating pop corn or sticking up for you have a personal stake because they like to buy these corals and don't care how you acquire them.

My only interest in the subject is perhaps moral or truth seeking. In all honesty I don't even think the law concerning CITES re-exportation that denies ORA/Tyree (or anyone else) the ability to ship coral fragments into Canada is a even a good one. I believe it should be legal and possilbe....but the fact remains ORA does not ship coral fragments to Canada for these reasons.

My biggest moral dilemma comes from the fact that you are not being truthful. Also I believe all stores should be on a level playing field. I don't find it fair that one store could quite possibly be breaking the law to be financially rewarded while others stores choose to follow the rules at a disadvantage.

The fact that you have not answered a few simple question speaks volumes to the fact that you are hiding something.

Reefermadness, you are perhaps a wee bit behind everyone else because you don't follow canreef very closely.... but maybe before accusing oceanic corals of illegal acts you might want to know you aren't the first to do so and the outcome of that can be found here

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=68931

If you were around more on Canreef you would know that Paul was visited by the DFO on this issue already. You would also know that all Paul's paperwork has checked out.

Of course he is... any vendor would also not want to divulge the knowledge on how to legally acquire these corals.