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Marlin65 09-22-2010 06:11 AM
I did not read all the posts but my first take was that they were over done.
I think that people that have been around for a bit and know corals and understand what the color is supposed too be when you get it home will be upset.
(After all thats what we are all after.The color in OUR TANK)
Lots of people that don't know better will buy them at inflated prices as they look so nice. I know I bought a few like that but now I know better.
So will the people that buy you fancy photo shopped stuff now after they get it home. Just my 2 cents. Is that good for sales down the road???

GreenSpottedPuffer 09-22-2010 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Marlin65 (Post 550545)
I did not read all the posts but my first take was that they were over done.
I think that people that have been around for a bit and know corals and understand what the color is supposed too be when you get it home will be upset.
(After all thats what we are all after.The color in OUR TANK)
Lots of people that don't know better will buy them at inflated prices as they look so nice. I know I bought a few like that but now I know better.
So will the people that buy you fancy photo shopped stuff now after they get it home. Just my 2 cents. Is that good for sales down the road???
You really should have gone back and read it before you posted.

GreenSpottedPuffer 09-22-2010 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by fkshiu (Post 550395)
If the photos are not enhanced, then fantastic. And good on Cherry Corals for showing an untouched original photo. But the concern is for potential consumers of their product (i.e. people who don't know what they are talking about like me) who may be dissapointed with the real thing after they've paid for them. There have been a lot of instances involving other vendors where great looking corals turn out to be not as great in person.

Even if Cherry Corals did not mean for these pictures to create marketing buzz, it sure hasn't hurt them judging by "ooh", "ahh" and "I wish I were in the US" comments on this thread. It's simply free publicity and good marketing on their part.
Why does it matter so much to you what has been done to the photos? He has already stated he only corrects them. This makes them much more accurate than if he were to post an untouched photo that you would approve of. He has also been backed up by two people who have nothing to gain by backing him and said his corals are gorgeous and these photos are accurate. Actually three people, one of which is a vendor.

Publicity for what? He doesn't/can't sell here. Why is he being treated any different from anyone else that wanted to post pictures from their tank?

Beautiful stuff by the way Cherry!!!

rstar 09-22-2010 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenSpottedPuffer (Post 550555)
Why does it matter so much to you what has been done to the photos? He has already stated he only corrects them. This makes them much more accurate than if he were to post an untouched photo that you would approve of. He has also been backed up by two people who have nothing to gain by backing him and said his corals are gorgeous and these photos are accurate. Actually three people, one of which is a vendor.

Publicity for what? He doesn't/can't sell here. Why is he being treated any different from anyone else that wanted to post pictures from their tank?

Beautiful stuff by the way Cherry!!!
Not to derail this thread, but i seriously missed your "devils advocate" sentimentality, welcome back to the forums GSP! You've always been the one to step up and challenge others opinions using cold hard logi!! :biggrin:

cherrycorals 09-22-2010 02:07 PM
I love cold hard logi!!

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GreenSpottedPuffer 09-22-2010 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rstar (Post 550565)
Not to derail this thread, but i seriously missed your "devils advocate" sentimentality, welcome back to the forums GSP! You've always been the one to step up and challenge others opinions using cold hard logi!! :biggrin:
Well this one just bothered me! Someone is posting pictures and gets attacked. Even if he were creating buzz who cares? Can people not resist and make their own choice? Ask the seller their own questions?

If not, your going to have a tough time in this world because marketing is all about creating a buzz and promoting your product as the best it possibly can be and sometimes more. Should we start to attack Apple for their brilliant marketing too?

Im not insinuating that Cherry is trying to promote his product to market that cannot buy it but Im saying even if he was, who cares?

lastlight 09-22-2010 05:01 PM
Straight from camera is quite often the least realistic looking photo around. Maybe if people adjusted white balance etc beforehand but clearly his shots are closer to real life after adjustment.

Also...Everyone's monitor is calibrated differently. What looks drab on one may look over-saturated on another. Think some are missing the point. He's not a vendor and some vendors post pics taken under 20k without much photoshopping. To me that's a bigger misrepresentation.

But either way who cares. Like monitors everyone's lighting is different and these would look different under everyone's light regardless of how they were presented.

jorjef 09-22-2010 05:24 PM
No underlieing intention just a honest newbie question that is somewhat related and I always wondered...I realize most corals are harvested from the ocean but I have seen tons as everyone else has these awesome colored brains, donuts, zoas etc. corals. Is this how they look in the ocean? I realized there are aqua cultured out there but never knew if that meant man made colored or just 2nd 3rd generation etc. Now that you have wiped away the tears of laughter I look forward to the answer... :redface:

lastlight 09-22-2010 05:31 PM
Yeah good point lol. The ocean has far fewer LEDs and 20k halides than our tanks. I don't think they'd look the same. Not that many try and simulate the sun's color temp when setting up a reef. I guess it started with trying to mimic the coloration at a deeper depth and then we tried drawing every colour out.

jorjef 09-22-2010 05:37 PM
Not neccesarilly the ones in this post but the brains and scolys in the market today are so psychedelic it's hard to believe they're natural and not man made color. Either way I would much rather have the psychedlic myself...

Lance 09-22-2010 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 550608)
Yeah good point lol. The ocean has far fewer LEDs and 20k halides than our tanks. I don't think they'd look the same. Not that many try and simulate the sun's color temp when setting up a reef. I guess it started with trying to mimic the coloration at a deeper depth and then we tried drawing every colour out.

Yup, gotta agree with you there Brett. If you turn the actinics off and had only 5000K lighting you would be closer to what the ocean's corals look like: much more drab looking. Some deeper water corals floresce quite well though under the bluer light.

fkshiu 09-22-2010 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenSpottedPuffer (Post 550555)
Why does it matter so much to you what has been done to the photos? He has already stated he only corrects them. This makes them much more accurate than if he were to post an untouched photo that you would approve of. He has also been backed up by two people who have nothing to gain by backing him and said his corals are gorgeous and these photos are accurate. Actually three people, one of which is a vendor.

Publicity for what? He doesn't/can't sell here. Why is he being treated any different from anyone else that wanted to post pictures from their tank?

Beautiful stuff by the way Cherry!!!
Alright Justin. Let's turn your argument on its head: since CC doesn't/can't sell here, what's the harm in questioning the amount of re-touching in the photos? We certainly aren't affecting his business. And the last time I checked, commentary - whether positive or negative - was allowed on this board.

And you wouldn't have had others backing him up and verifying the veracity of the photos were it not for the initial doubtful postings. Without those doubters, many Canreef members may be left with the impression of "Gee, those corals look too good to be true" and would not have had the benefit of the verifying posts. In fact, I submit, that CC has in fact acutally benefitted from the doubting posts as this thread has evolved.

jorjef 09-22-2010 07:08 PM
Lets end this with a cage match to the death.... GSP vs. fkshiu or you guys could agree to disagree and this thread could die....finally. This being said with all due respect of coarse.. or is that course. this seems to be a bit coarse of course.

PoonTang 09-22-2010 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by fkshiu (Post 550617)
Alright Justin. Let's turn your argument on its head: since CC doesn't/can't sell here, what's the harm in questioning the amount of re-touching in the photos? We certainly aren't affecting his business. And the last time I checked, commentary - whether positive or negative - was allowed on this board.

And you wouldn't have had others backing him up and verifying the veracity of the photos were it not for the initial doubtful postings. Without those doubters, many Canreef members may be left with the impression of "Gee, those corals look too good to be true" and would not have had the benefit of the verifying posts.
Yes basically too good to be true is kind of what my origional post was all about. I never called into question the quality of the frags, nor the beauty, nor the photographers skills. What I did call into question was the colours in the backgrounds. Yellowish algae? Electric Blue Spots on the frag discs? I just made me think Hmmmm about the whole picture. I may not know what I am talking about apparently but I have seen quite a few photographs here posted by a lot of photographers of various skills but I had never seen backgrounds that looked like that. It just kind of made the whole thing look fakeish to me. I am sorry if the OP cant take a little bit of criticism but I did not deserve to be attacked as such for posting my personal thoughts. If you want immunity from anything negative being posted about your stuff in the future then you'll have to pay for sponsorship status here.

jorjef 09-22-2010 07:14 PM
This could end up a Battle Royale

GreenSpottedPuffer 09-22-2010 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by fkshiu (Post 550617)
Alright Justin. Let's turn your argument on its head: since CC doesn't/can't sell here, what's the harm in questioning the amount of re-touching in the photos? We certainly aren't affecting his business. And the last time I checked, commentary - whether positive or negative - was allowed on this board.

And you wouldn't have had others backing him up and verifying the veracity of the photos were it not for the initial doubtful postings. Without those doubters, many Canreef members may be left with the impression of "Gee, those corals look too good to be true" and would not have had the benefit of the verifying posts. In fact, I submit, that CC has in fact acutally benefitted from the doubting posts as this thread has evolved.
I'd be the first to question him about what he has done to the photos but in a polite way. People just started to assume he enhanced them before asking and then after he answered people then continued to assume he has enhanced them. He isn't selling here and even if he was, just don't buy them if you don't think its a "real" photo.

He only got this response because he is a vendor (in another country) and its wrong. He can't sell here. So what...he got a big buzz over something that isn't going to make him any money amongst the buzzing people. And trust me, whatever buzz is happening in Canada isn't going to help him in the US. For one, half the states barely know Canada exists and the rest don't give a...

Im not too sure what benefit he has gained in a market he cannot make money off of legally. Please explain.

lastlight 09-22-2010 07:31 PM
Ok seriously I *demand* to see some CITES documents and ASAP.

:pop2:

PoonTang 09-22-2010 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenSpottedPuffer (Post 550630)
I'd be the first to question him about what he has done to the photos but in a polite way. People just started to assume he enhanced them before asking and then after he answered people then continued to assume he has enhanced them. He isn't selling here and even if he was, just don't buy them if you don't think its a "real" photo.

He only got this response because he is a vendor (in another country) and its wrong. He can't sell here. So what...he got a big buzz over something that isn't going to make him any money amongst the buzzing people. And trust me, whatever buzz is happening in Canada isn't going to help him in the US. For one, half the states barely know Canada exists and the rest don't give a...

Im not too sure what benefit he has gained in a market he cannot make money off of legally. Please explain.
I thought the pictures looked enhanced. So I asked if anyone else felt that way. Got myself a new @ss whole ripped for my efforts. But as a vendor you would think he would want to know what people really think of his photos wether good or bad.

jorjef 09-22-2010 07:36 PM
LETS GET READY TO RUMMMMMMBLE !!!!!1

ScubaSteve 09-22-2010 08:25 PM
Holy Bitchfest, Batman! Seriously, can't you all just hug and make up?

Some guy just posts some pictures of some snazzy looking corals and your all up in arms about it. Have you seen some of the pictures in the POTM threads? Here look at this one from Sphelps: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...alicemacro.jpg. Anyone getting all ****y over that one? Nope. Or check out ZoaElite's zoa pics... Freakin' cool stuff.

There are more diplomatic ways of questioning the authenticity of something (which you are totally within your rights to do). "Hey dude, those are some pretty sweet looking corals. What lights do you use to make them look like that or do you edit your photos after? I want mine to look like that". "Aw, thanks man! Ya, they totally look like that in the tank, you need some serious lighting to get that though. I only change the white balance after so they don't look washed out." Done. Finished. Everyone's friends. No need for 6 friggin' pages of people trash talking each other.

Aquarium nerds, there are bigger fish to fry than arguing over the internet about someones pictures! (See what I did there? That's punny stuff!:razz:)

By the way, my zoas glow like that it night, maybe even more... that's why I keep them. If you want to figure out why yours don't let's start another thread and talk about it over there.

Hey mods, how about... you know... doin' some moderatin'?

jorjef 09-22-2010 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ScubaSteve (Post 550645)
Holy Bitchfest, Batman! Seriously, can't you all just hug and make up?

Some guy just posts some pictures of some snazzy looking corals and your all up in arms about it. Have you seen some of the pictures in the POTM threads? Here look at this one from Sphelps: http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...alicemacro.jpg. Anyone getting all ****y over that one? Nope. Or check out ZoaElite's zoa pics... Freakin' cool stuff.

There are more diplomatic ways of questioning the authenticity of something (which you are totally within your rights to do). "Hey dude, those are some pretty sweet looking corals. What lights do you use to make them look like that or do you edit your photos after? I want mine to look like that". "Aw, thanks man! Ya, they totally look like that in the tank, you need some serious lighting to get that though. I only change the white balance after so they don't look washed out." Done. Finished. Everyone's friends. No need for 6 friggin' pages of people trash talking each other.

Aquarium nerds, there are bigger fish to fry than arguing over the internet about someones pictures! (See what I did there? That's punny stuff!:razz:)

By the way, my zoas glow like that it night, maybe even more... that's why I keep them. If you want to figure out why yours don't let's start another thread and talk about it over there.

Hey mods, how about... you know... doin' some moderatin'?

What he said!!! lmao

lastlight 09-22-2010 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ScubaSteve (Post 550645)
Hey mods, how about... you know... doin' some moderatin'?
I'm thinking the mods won't see that as a prime example of your diplomacy lol.

ScubaSteve 09-22-2010 09:43 PM
Ha ha ha! Touche!

Ok, no more posts from me... let's get this thread back on track. Cherry baby! Show us some more pics! (let's see some of the wicked goldeneye chalice!)

Rbacchiega 09-22-2010 09:46 PM
ACANS!!!1

Ron99 09-22-2010 10:34 PM
Just to add fuel to the fire...zoas are not covered by CITES so as long as they are on artificial plugs and not live rock then technically he could ship to Canada. Whether he is willing to undertake the hassle or not is a completely different story but it is legal :)

jorjef 09-22-2010 10:37 PM
way ta go Ron... lol ....Here comes all the cross border expediting experts to challenge you..

christyf5 09-22-2010 11:42 PM
moderated.


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