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Chad	11-27-2003 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by LostMind

so you guys suggest only purchasing clones from other hobbiests?

I never see them for sale by hobbyists -

It doesn't seem to happen all that often that one comes up for sale... :frown:

Chad

LostMind

11-27-2003 07:03 AM

so in other words, keep playing hit n miss with the lfs bought anemones or stop buying them I spose. I havent purchased one yet, but I have wanted to try my hand at keeping one. One of the main things that interested me in the hobby was keeping an anemone (didnt care for clownfish too much, but the gf likes them so).

bah.

AJ_77

11-27-2003 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LostMind

so in other words, keep playing hit n miss with the lfs bought anemones or stop buying them I spose.

:eek: That's the point - DON'T play hit'n'miss at the LFS - unless on very specific terms, as described by EmilyB (who along with Delphinus is one of two people in Calgary that I can rely on for anemone guidance).

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I havent purchased one yet, but I have wanted to try my hand at keeping one. One of the main things that interested me in the hobby was keeping an anemone (didnt care for clownfish too much, but the gf likes them so).

I sympathize, but you gotta wait a year, and let your tank find its legs. Too much can happen, especially with us always adding things, and changing the makeup of our systems.

As to the clone question, it is worth it to wait until another reefer has a split for sale or trade, or a specimen that they have kept successfully for a while. They do come up, just gotta be patient...

:biggrin:

LostMind

11-27-2003 05:41 PM

hehe, I wasnt suggesting that I was gonna run out and buy an anemone just yet. Tank is only 6 months old and everything I have read about them says wait a year - plus, I want to get a chiller in place to keep my temp from swinging so the tank is a bit more stable (79-81 overnight swing in temp right now).

And to give an example... in 6 months, there have only been two local anemone sales. One had a waiting list of ten people before it was even posted :)

On a different note, I talked to JL the other day and they plan to bring in anemones in the near future. Wonder how that will work out...

Aquattro

11-27-2003 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LostMind

(79-81 overnight swing in temp right now).

That isn't a swing, that's a blip. I wish my tank only blipped that much :neutral:

LostMind

11-27-2003 07:16 PM

a blip? :)

problem is, I keep the heat as stable as possible with a bunch of fans... which causes 5 gallons evap per day... that part sucks. I figure a chiller would help prevent the evap as well...

Samw	11-27-2003 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by reef_raf

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Originally Posted by LostMind

(79-81 overnight swing in temp right now).

That isn't a swing, that's a blip. I wish my tank only blipped that much :neutral:

Even now using Kalk for top-off water every day, my PH goes from 7.6 to 8.2. Is that a blip?

LostMind

11-27-2003 07:42 PM

I dose kalk for top off every night and my ph barely moves :(

7.7-8.0 :(

Aquattro

11-27-2003 09:19 PM

Sam, I'd say that is a swing. pH numbers and temp numbers are a bit different. My temp runs about 79 to 85 daily, and that uses 5g of evaporation also.
My pH stopped swinging right about the time I stopped measuring it :razz:

Samw	11-27-2003 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by reef_raf

Sam, I'd say that is a swing. pH numbers and temp numbers are a bit different.

I know. I couldn't resist the opportunity to highlight the instability of my tank. :smile: Seemed like a big swing to me too. Could you imagine it use to be worse than that before I started dosing Kalk?

Buccaneer

11-28-2003 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by reef_raf

Does your salinity move much with that much evaporation Brad ?

Cheers

Aquattro

11-28-2003 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rasta

Does your salinity move much with that much evaporation Brad ?

Cheers

Steve, that's only about 2.5% of my total volume, so no, it wouldn't affect it. However, I use a float valve and it is replaced as it evaporates, so it has no effect at all.

Buccaneer

11-28-2003 01:36 AM

Hey Brad ... I use a float valve too as I lose that much or more

Cheers

Namscam

12-13-2003 08:34 AM

do u have a carbon filter for your tank???because when you have two or more different anemone on a tank they will release toxin to try to kill each other

Veng68

12-13-2003 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by EmilyB

Anemone, not anenome.

It might help on your search for information.

If you have a multi anemone tank, you better be sure they don't come in contact with each other, at least that.

Likely people bought anemones that were all dumped in a tank together and already beyond hope.

I kept my original (ordered in specifically LTA) for over four years. It is doing well with a fellow aquarist now into it's next few years.

I have a three year old sebae showing me how tough he is waiting to move back under MH.

Don't buy anemones from an LFS unless it is a special order of one specimen, and healthy upon purchase. Best to buy a clone from a reefer.

Hey Deb,

I remember an interesting e-mail exchange I had with Charles Delbeek and Bruce Carlson (former head of the Waikiki Aquarium) on the Breeder's registry mailing list about putting multiple anemones in one system. They have a tank with multiple anemones.

If you want to check it out go to (sorry no direct link):

http://waquarium.otted.hawaii.edu/vt/index.html

then select gallaries

then select gallary 1 South Pacific Community

then select tank 3 Reef Partners - Anemonefish & Anemones

22 anemones (3 different types) pretty cool stuff but I would not try it because they have a semi open system that flows fresh seawater continuously.

Cheers,
Victor [Veng68]

EmilyB

12-13-2003 10:42 PM

Also 18 of them are all cloned, and clones can live together.

Veng68

12-14-2003 12:06 AM

Hey Deb,

Actually those ones may have been propogated sexually. I remember seeing an article on the web (I forget the link) that showed these same E. quads having a spawn and how the aquarium settled the larve out on some ceramic tiles & small sheets of glass. Very cool stuff indeed.

Cheers,
Victor [veng68]

Veng68

12-14-2003 12:13 AM

woops.......... my mistake........ those 18 were collected in 1980 as single specimens from the Palau area.

Cheers,
Victor [veng68]

Delphinus

12-14-2003 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veng68

I remember an interesting e-mail exchange I had with Charles Delbeek and Bruce Carlson (former head of the Waikiki Aquarium) on the Breeder's registry mailing list about putting multiple anemones in one system. They have a tank with multiple anemones.

...

22 anemones (3 different types) pretty cool stuff but I would not try it because they have a semi open system that flows fresh seawater continuously.

350 gallons

saltwater wells

Chuck Delbeek

.... not exactly a fair comparison to most of our tanks, is it? Mr. Delbeek and the Waikiki Aquarium also breed flame angels, and rear the young into adulthood, but just because they can do it, doesn't mean just anyone can ... they have access to some rather enviable resources down there...

Veng68

12-15-2003 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Delphinus

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Originally Posted by Veng68

The amazing thing is they are breeding masked angel.......... and they did it with cultured foods........ a first. They only got 1 fish to survive but that is a start.

Cheers,
Victor [Veng68]

Quinn

12-15-2003 01:58 AM

The Waikiki aquarium is also the only entity to breed cleaner shrimp thus far, as far as I know.

Regardless of all else, when you have NSW flowing in and out of your system all day, you basically have perfect conditions 24/7. All toxins emitted by the anemones would be gone almost immediately, if the anemones were excreting them at all.

Veng68

12-15-2003 07:58 AM

TMC in the UK does a lot of cleaner shrimp breeding.

Cheers,
Victor [Veng68]

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