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Greenmaster 07-15-2010 06:17 AM

I'll watch... when you "edit" one of your first 40 posts will the site notify us you have done so or will we have to keep looking back?... or you could just do a new post and link it to the post that has been updated :D Also could you link the posts to your index?
Example: "The build.....................................Post 13"http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...771#post534771

kien 07-15-2010 01:17 PM

Game on! :pop2:

Oh, but where are the pics???? :).

No the board won't notify you of edited posts.

abcha0s 07-15-2010 01:32 PM

Perhaps my plan was flawed :smile: - In any event, I will make the best of it.

Kien - Lot's of pics to come.
Greenmaster - Thanks for the suggestions.

One thing I did test was going back to some of my first Canreef posts. It appears that the edit button still works after many months. I'm hoping the moderators will leave this option available to me.

I will post a note whenever I update content.

<Content Updated> - Posts 3,4,5,6,7,8

Greenmaster 07-15-2010 02:01 PM

Interesting design for the thread even... can we see some photos though? :D

lastlight 07-15-2010 03:27 PM

Loving the drawings thus far. Nice to see another builder doing the micro bevels or whatever you're calling them. That's looks so KEY.

Why 2 osmolators?

I like the use of dual Eheims for returns. You're not pushing more through your sump than needed and you have a backup if one bites the fat one.

Blue wave 7 ballasts? I had been looking to purchase a Blue Wave but couldn't find them for purchase. They aren't made anymore AFAIK. Do you have these already?

Are you still building on-site and has this happened?

Looking forward to more!

kien 07-15-2010 03:42 PM

wow! It is a good thing you are a giant! Working in the back side of the tank at 36" will be fun! :lol: Great sketch up and I do love those dimensions.

Concept Aquariums will definitely be building my next tank. They're great guys to talk to and work with (yes, this is me sucking up to you Concept Aquarium dude! :lol: )

lastlight 07-15-2010 03:49 PM

Next tank? Kien get outta here. Stop upgrading man...I pee larger than my current tank!

abcha0s 07-15-2010 03:51 PM

Hi Brett
Quote:

Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 534861)
Why 2 osmolators?

I've got a whole section on this planned. I'll try to get it online in the next couple of days. The bottom line is that there will be two resevoirs each with an Osmolator. if either one fails, the other should be sufficient for continued opperation. There are some additional considerations, but I'll try to go through all of that in the content post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 534861)
Blue wave 7 ballasts? I had been looking to purchase a Blue Wave but couldn't find them for purchase. They aren't made anymore AFAIK. Do you have these already?

Yes - I already have this ballast on my 90G tank. When I learned they had been discontinued I was dissapointed and thought I had made a bad purchase decision. However, more and more people are telling me how good these ballasts are. I know you can still find them in retail but they are quickly dissapearing.

Lighting is still a big question for me. I'm really not sure what direction I will go, but I am considering LED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 534861)
Are you still building on-site and has this happened?

I'm very happy to say that the tank was completed yesterday. I will try to get pictures up in the next couple of days, but I am very happy with the finished product.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 534861)
Looking forward to more!

Thanks for that. Your tanks are pretty amazing and I've learned a lot from reading your threads.

abcha0s 07-15-2010 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kien (Post 534879)
wow! It is a good thing you are a giant! Working in the back side of the tank at 36" will be fun! :lol: Great sketch up and I do love those dimensions.

The tank is accessible from all sides. There's a platform at the back of the tank stand that I can use, so the middle of the tank will really be the hardest to reach. I might have made the tank a little higher than necessary, but the frustration of working in such a deep tank will be made up by the aquascaping options. I don't regret this yet :smile:

Wingin It 07-15-2010 04:02 PM

Wow...i'm taggin along on this one! Great planning!

lastlight 07-15-2010 05:05 PM

The tank's already built and pics in a FEW days?

I wanna see this thing. Do you do sleepovers? I can bring my own bag.

scherzo 07-15-2010 06:07 PM

Tagging long!

Great planning. I wish I knew how to use sketchup as well as you do!

Just a suggestion. You could do what Kien did and do a table of contents that link to the posts.

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...79&postcount=1

Just a thought.

andestang 07-15-2010 06:37 PM

This looks to be a very nice build. I really like the dimensions, similar to what I have designed for my build. So if I understand correctly you have most of the components bought already ? Looking forward to the rest.

abcha0s 07-15-2010 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andestang (Post 534924)
This looks to be a very nice build. I really like the dimensions, similar to what I have designed for my build. So if I understand correctly you have most of the components bought already ? Looking forward to the rest.

It is very similar to your tank dimensions. I'm following your thread intently.
I have most of the hardware already purchased. The missing pieces are lighting and live rock. Obviously I'm not ready for the rock yet as the tank was just finished.

DiverDude 07-15-2010 07:56 PM

I really like your thread layout. I think this makes a lot of sense since when you're done it'll read as a concise "This is how I did what I did" guide without all the chitter-chatter in between posts.

I've nver heard of Concept Aquariums. I googled it and I find references to a place in edmonton but their website is shut down....

abcha0s 07-15-2010 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiverDude (Post 534936)
I really like your thread layout. I think this makes a lot of sense since when you're done it'll read as a concise "This is how I did what I did" guide without all the chitter-chatter in between posts.

I've nver heard of Concept Aquariums. I googled it and I find references to a place in edmonton but their website is shut down....

Hi Mark - Thanks for the encouragement.

Anyway - There seems to be some confusion around the name Concept Aquariums. I don't know all of the details because I really have no idea who used to run the Edmonton based company. I do know that they are not the same company and that the owners have nothing to do with each other. As I understand it, the similar name is just a coincidence.

abcha0s 07-16-2010 04:22 AM

<New Content Posted> - Pics

Designing the Overflow........................Post 9
Designing the Stand...........................Post 10
Designing the Sump (100G).....................Post 11
Putting it all together.......................Post 12
The build.....................................Post 13


I also updated the index with clickable links. Credit to Kien for the index idea and making them clickable!

abcha0s 07-16-2010 05:52 AM

<New Content Posted>

Tank Images...................................Post 14

There it is...

Greenmaster 07-16-2010 06:00 AM

Definitely a sweet tank... are you doing the bottom bracing as well or are you done the tank?
When you gonna water test it?

the marine apprentice 07-16-2010 06:32 AM

very impressive. all i have to say at the moment.

lastlight 07-16-2010 06:34 AM

dear god that tank is a thing of beauty! Those starphire euros are one heck of a nice touch.

What are your plans for the back of the tank? If you plan to have a backing on it...how will you also hide the overflow in a way that blends with your background?

abcha0s 07-16-2010 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 535089)
What are your plans for the back of the tank? If you plan to have a backing on it...how will you also hide the overflow in a way that blends with your background?

The tank was pushed closer to the wall than I had originally planned. When I first conceptualized the tank, the idea was for it to be an island viewable from all 4 sides. I'm still thinking that I will keep the back side clean and use it as a viewable pane. Perhaps I could paint a section of the wall black just to give the illusion of darkness towards the back. At the very least, I plan to leave enough space between the glass and rock/corals to clean all of the sides. No final decision on this yet.

Thanks for the comments btw!!

abcha0s 07-16-2010 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenmaster (Post 535081)
Definitely a sweet tank... are you doing the bottom bracing as well or are you done the tank?
When you gonna water test it?

The bottom bracing is in place. It's somewhat subtle and perhaps hard to make out in the pictures. It has silicone on all 4 edges of the glass, so it somewhat blends in. These aren't really for strength as much as for adhesion. The structural integrity is still primarily the glass panes.

As for water testing - I have to slow down a bit for the next while. I may fill it with ro/di water and do an extended leak test over the summer, but plumbing in the sump and adding salt will have to wait for now.

Edmonton newbie 07-16-2010 03:54 PM

another one i have to tag along for sweet looking build

Greenmaster 07-17-2010 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abcha0s (Post 535117)
The bottom bracing is in place. It's somewhat subtle and perhaps hard to make out in the pictures. It has silicone on all 4 edges of the glass, so it somewhat blends in. These aren't really for strength as much as for adhesion. The structural integrity is still primarily the glass panes.

As for water testing - I have to slow down a bit for the next while. I may fill it with ro/di water and do an extended leak test over the summer, but plumbing in the sump and adding salt will have to wait for now.

A weak point of the tank is typically the joints. I'm glad to hear you strengthened them :D... I would hate to see your fish flopping on the floor.

SAMSHUNG 07-17-2010 04:01 PM

EPIC-ness!!!

(subscribing the s#it out of this thread.)

andestang 07-17-2010 06:32 PM

Looking supreme ! Is that glass covering your overflow box ? You must of enjoyed having it built at home, seeing the whole thing come together. That's also up my sleeve.

abcha0s 07-19-2010 12:12 AM

<New Content Posted>

Planning the ATO (Automatic Top Off)..........<moved to 38 - Changed status to draft>

Pretext: I’ve had my ATO fail while on holidays. This caused the sump return chamber to completely evaporate leading to a subsequent failure of the return pump. After fixing the ATO and replacing the return pump, the ATO did what it was supposed to do and pumped 10 gallons of saturated Kalk water (pH 12.4) back into the system. The result was a pH spike reaching upwards of 9.5. While I was able to recover from this without a tank crash and better yet, without losing any wildlife, it drove home the importance of a reliable ATO. In my opinion, it is one of the more critical components and can potentially fail without warning.

steveg 07-19-2010 01:24 AM

Wow!!!!!!!!!
 
Amazing how a quick look on the computer can generate such green eyed monster feelings................:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen :

Looking forward to seeing this develop!

TheMikey 07-19-2010 01:30 AM

Absolutely fantastic build. The level of detail and planning incorpotated into the build (as well as the great explanations) could (should?!) be made into a How-To for those looking at building large tanks. You seem to have all your bases covered on your build.

I do have one question, however:

In regards to the steel design (and redesign) I've noticed that on the stand that the aquarium isn't actually sitting on the back brace where you've added the additional support and the entire backside seems to be for the benefit of the overflow alone. You were very concerned in this build early on about having enough support but from my (rather limited, forgive me) knowledge it seems like you are ignoring the rear re-enforcement entirely. Can you give me the rationale for it?

I really hope this doesn't come off as a flame/troll post (it's not I assure you :) ) I just found it a little odd the way the tank fits on the stand.

Again, fantastic tank journal; it's making me itch for an upgrade :D

abcha0s 07-19-2010 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMikey (Post 535769)
Absolutely fantastic build. The level of detail and planning incorpotated into the build (as well as the great explanations) could (should?!) be made into a How-To for those looking at building large tanks. You seem to have all your bases covered on your build.

I do have one question, however:

In regards to the steel design (and redesign) I've noticed that on the stand that the aquarium isn't actually sitting on the back brace where you've added the additional support and the entire backside seems to be for the benefit of the overflow alone. You were very concerned in this build early on about having enough support but from my (rather limited, forgive me) knowledge it seems like you are ignoring the rear re-enforcement entirely. Can you give me the rationale for it?

I really hope this doesn't come off as a flame/troll post (it's not I assure you :) ) I just found it a little odd the way the tank fits on the stand.

Again, fantastic tank journal; it's making me itch for an upgrade :D

Hey Mikey

Sure - ask me a difficult question. :smile:

There are a couple of ways to look at this. Let's make sure we are talking about the same thing.

http://owa.footit.ca/wwwimages/question1.jpg

I believe that you are referring to the fact that the tank sits on Beam B and not Beam A. I did consider this.

The first modification I made to support this arrangement was to add an additional brace from front to back. Where splitting the load in two squares (3'x3') should be sufficient, I am splitting the load in three rectangles (3'x2').

I also figure that the two beams together, being only 2.5" apart and welded in 4 places, will collectively have a strength greater than a single beam.

Finally, I am counting on the distance to the braced beam (Beam A) being small enough that the load will be almost directly transfered between the two beams.

Having said all of that - there's not a lot of science behind it. It's more intuition than anything. If the stand weren't overbuilt, I would be a little more concerned, but I think there is a sufficient safety variable built in to offset the risk of deflection along this beam.

This stand design gives me considerably more space underneath the tank. The extra 4.5" makes a big difference. It also will make it easier to hide some of the plumbing when I start panneling the stand. So far, I don't regret the design.

Anyway, the question is perfectly reasonable, no need to appologize.

- Thanks

abcha0s 07-19-2010 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andestang (Post 535431)
Looking supreme ! Is that glass covering your overflow box ? You must of enjoyed having it built at home, seeing the whole thing come together. That's also up my sleeve.

Thanks!!

There is a glass cover for the overflow. It is removable and is primarily there for looks. There may also be a secondary benifit of noise reduction making a quiet overflow almost silent

One note if you are considering something similar. Glass on glass scratches and chips. I will put little rubber feet (matching the silicone thickness) to ensure that the pieces never touch. I considered an acrylic cover, but 15mm acrylic is either very difficult to find, or just not manufactured.

Watching the build was a lot of fun. Can't wait to see yours.

BTW - If you wan't to come check out the tank before you finalize your plans, just let me know.

DiverDude 07-19-2010 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abcha0s (Post 535788)
...Watching the build was a lot of fun.

The voyeur in me wonders if perhaps you happened to video the assembly of the tank.

That would be....awesome :biggrin:

lastlight 07-19-2010 03:27 AM

When Gary built my old 400 on-site there was a strange smoke/fog surrounding him. The shroud of mystery if you will. Try as I did I could not directly view the magic that is the on-site build.

Actually...I just felt he wanted some privacy and I let him be =)

abcha0s 07-19-2010 03:38 AM

abcha0s' 300G Starphire Ultimate Reef
 
Sorry - I didn't get any video.

+1 on the privacy consideration. You'll notice that there are no pictures of the mysterious builders surrounded by their shroud of smoke and fog. :smile:

andestang 07-19-2010 06:12 AM

I may just have to do that, thanks.



Quote:

Originally Posted by abcha0s (Post 535788)
BTW - If you wan't to come check out the tank before you finalize your plans, just let me know.


bauder1986 07-19-2010 02:39 PM

Holly crap, this looks like a developement proposal to me! Nice tank and nice tank build porposal thread:razz:

rjengen 07-20-2010 06:27 AM

Alright, you were not kidding when you said it was a little bigger...all I can say is wow! I can't wait to see it all come together...thanks for bringing me to your thread!

abcha0s 08-02-2010 04:52 AM

<New Content Posted>

Plumbing the Overflow and Return..............Post 15

So, I had the evening to myself yesterday. My wife was working and the kids were sleeping. A rare opportunity for me to work on the tank without interruptions. The next step was to plumb the tank and I have to admit I really wanted to see some water in it.

At one point, I was kneeling on the floor beside the tank. The basement floor was scattered with PVC fittings. Paper towel lay in a pile where I had been placing it after wiping excess glue from the joints. Various tools were within reach. I had the Apple TV streaming ‘Chillout Dreams’ from DI.FM to the home theater – In fact I was really enjoying myself.

It occurred to me that I was sharing an experience of so many others before me. Plumbing the tank. - I’m not talking about professional aquarists, or even when you are working on a tank with friends. It was the solitude that struck me.

lastlight 08-02-2010 05:14 AM

I'm not sure I can get too poetic about plumbing but I totally love doing it!


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