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Greenmaster 07-10-2010 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 533554)
Ok that is one hardcore heatsink! Are you plumbing water into the copper piping to draw heat out?

Tagging along. Your daughter is hilarious btw. They don't speed the process up but it's a lot of fun to see them get into it.

Yes once I get my thermal compound I will be cutting the copper pipe to the proper size and attaching it to the aluminum plate. Plumbing water to run underground to dissipate the heat. The pump will be under the house so there will be no noise from the pump and best of all most of the time there will be no noisy fans blowing... (on hot days I may have a fan set up to help with cooling the tank... I may just install a solenoid to have the water cool off the sump.)

bauder1986 07-10-2010 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenmaster (Post 533553)
You have your lights and most of your equipment (my LED's are at least 3-4 weeks away plus I have to wire them... I expect that to take 2 weeks)... your tank is on the stand (I still need to put some of my rock in first... finish my stand... Drill 2 more holes in my tank... convince 4 people that they want to help me slide my tank onto the stand and hope the jacks don't kick out)... I will have fish in September when are you planning on having your first fish?
My "lighting system" is only 5'x2' there are lots of pendents that are 6' or 8'.

Oh you misunderstood my thread! That is my planning list for my tank. I have none of that yet. I have a sump on hold for me though but the equipment is still on my want list :smile: But yah, my tank is on the stand though:lol:. I do want my tank running by August though at the latest with its first fish.

Greenmaster 07-10-2010 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bauder1986 (Post 533558)
Oh you misunderstood my thread! That is my planning list for my tank. I have none of that yet. I have a sump on hold for me though but the equipment is still on my want list :smile: But yah, my tank is on the stand though:lol:

LOL okay... but when do you "plan" on having fish?

bauder1986 07-10-2010 04:38 AM

By the end of august hopefully, probably sept like yourself.

Greenmaster 07-10-2010 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bauder1986 (Post 533560)
By the end of august hopefully, probably sept like yourself.

oh... okay then we are close to the same stage I just have a lot more work ahead of me :D

bauder1986 07-10-2010 04:43 AM

I would say so, I have this month to gather the bare neccesities to run my tank, sump, pump, skimmer, plumbing, rock, substrate, salt, RO water, and at least one MP40 and then I can start cycling it. I can bring the light into the picture by mid august and then by the end of august or begining of september, i can have fish!

Greenmaster 07-10-2010 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by bauder1986 (Post 533562)
I would say so, I have this month to gather the bare neccesities to run my tank, sump, pump, skimmer, plumbing, rock, substrate, salt, RO water, and at least one MP40 and then I can start cycling it. I can bring the light into the picture by mid august and then by the end of august or begining of september, i can have fish!

Basically I'm waiting on a drill bit to arrive and that's at least 2 weeks away. Then I will be putting my tank on the stand and start setting up the plumbing (it will take at least one week to do, That's the start of august if I'm lucky... probably mid august)... I'll give the plumbing about 1 week to cure then I can start adding the rest of the rocks and sand (if I have to glue any rocks to hold them in place I'm looking at another week min to cure.) I'm hoping some time in September... maybe the end of September.

bauder1986 07-10-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenmaster (Post 533570)
Basically I'm waiting on a drill bit to arrive and that's at least 2 weeks away. Then I will be putting my tank on the stand and start setting up the plumbing (it will take at least one week to do, That's the start of august if I'm lucky... probably mid august)... I'll give the plumbing about 1 week to cure then I can start adding the rest of the rocks and sand (if I have to glue any rocks to hold them in place I'm looking at another week min to cure.) I'm hoping some time in September... maybe the end of September.

Oh the fun of waiting Eh? Its torture enough to see the tank just sitting there, taunting you to hurry up and put it to use

lockrookie 07-10-2010 04:01 PM

be careful on "glueing" the rocks in place it makes for harder future aqua scaping. what some ppl do is drill holes in the rocks and ad plastic pegs to hold them in place then you can take them apart and move if need be in the future. i tried using frag putty to hold a few rocks in place as well and it doesnt seem to stick and just pops apart. most of my rocks are just carefully placed as to not cause a rock slide.

but since you are doing the waiting game set up a mock tank out of carboard or wood and pre plan your aquascape gives you time to get that litle bit of perfection without getting as wet:)

reefwars 07-10-2010 04:49 PM

Large plastic tie straps work well with small pieces and mixed with acrylic rods for bigger pieces just drill some holes it's how I kept my eel from toppling over his mountain lair when I had him:)

reefwars 07-10-2010 04:51 PM

I really liked your homemade liverock idea and I'm gonna try it out over the next few weeks I'm going to gather up materials next week and you'll probably here from me asking what went wrong lol looking forward to love projects like this:)

Greenmaster 07-10-2010 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by lockrookie (Post 533627)
be careful on "glueing" the rocks in place it makes for harder future aqua scaping. what some ppl do is drill holes in the rocks and ad plastic pegs to hold them in place then you can take them apart and move if need be in the future. i tried using frag putty to hold a few rocks in place as well and it doesnt seem to stick and just pops apart. most of my rocks are just carefully placed as to not cause a rock slide.

but since you are doing the waiting game set up a mock tank out of carboard or wood and pre plan your aquascape gives you time to get that litle bit of perfection without getting as wet:)

As I said if I have to I will glue... don't plan on it though... but I'm taking my rocks out tomorrow so I will have lots of time to try and figure out what I'm doing.

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Originally Posted by reefwars (Post 533647)
Large plastic tie straps work well with small pieces and mixed with acrylic rods for bigger pieces just drill some holes it's how I kept my eel from toppling over his mountain lair when I had him:)

I may use the tie straps and rods but I will see first how well I can stack them.

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Originally Posted by reefwars (Post 533649)
I really liked your homemade liverock idea and I'm gonna try it out over the next few weeks I'm going to gather up materials next week and you'll probably here from me asking what went wrong lol looking forward to love projects like this:)

I find making the rocks a blast... one thing to keep in mind is in my video I said 1 part cement I would not do it again with less then 1.5 parts.

reefwars 07-10-2010 07:33 PM

What did you find when using just one part? Is there anysize restrictions to rock or larger pieces just take longer to cure??

Greenmaster 07-10-2010 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by reefwars (Post 533679)
What did you find when using just one part? Is there anysize restrictions to rock or larger pieces just take longer to cure??

Just one part would cure faster... I just found there wasn't enough strength. The rock with just one part tends to be flaky and weak (the outsides of the rock tends to flake off little by little... it's a pain)... 1.5 parts is about the sweet spot where it is still very porous and has enough strength. May take a little bit longer to cure but it's worth the wait.

DCDN 07-10-2010 11:01 PM

Cant wait to see this filled. Tagging along

Greenmaster 07-10-2010 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DCDN (Post 533710)
Cant wait to see this filled. Tagging along

Welcome aboard :D

So I was thinking (always trouble when I do that) solder is a pretty good conductor of heat... and it's a lot cheaper then thermal compound I'll just solder the pipe to the aluminum... so I attach all my pipe to the aluminum and all the corners, so I have a nice long single line... I start to solder and I solder the elbow to the small connecting piece then to the other elbow... seems a little difficult but I figure it's just cause I haven't done it in a very long time... then I try to solder the elbow to the long line... not happening... I keep trying anyways... after about 5 min of going "What the heck!" I figure it out... (most people know that to solder you need both pieces to be hot enough to melt the solder so it can "stick") Well it turns out that my aluminum heat sink works well with no solder or thermal paste as it wont let the pipe attached to it heat up enough to solder it. Now I'm going to have to take all the pipe off and solder it before re-attaching it. What a pain. oh ya and there will be no soldering the pipe to the aluminum. (live and learn... darn heat-sink works too well.)
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x...otthinking.jpg

Greenmaster 07-12-2010 04:53 AM

Here is my DIY rock in the ocean and laid out on my lawn.
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x...cksinocean.jpg
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x...aulingrock.jpg
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x...oatofrocks.jpg

The rock in her hands is the one she made :D

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x...awithrocks.jpg

delo978 07-16-2010 04:33 AM

It's looking good can't wait to see it in person ;) if you still need a hand to move it later give me a shout I'm just up in Comox by the Air Force base.

Greenmaster 07-16-2010 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by delo978 (Post 535059)
It's looking good can't wait to see it in person ;) if you still need a hand to move it later give me a shout I'm just up in Comox by the Air Force base.

You bet... there isn't much to see at the moment though... I have a ton of work ahead of me. But I will definitely call you when I go to move the tank... a tank that weighs 1000lbs with about 100lbs of rock inside definitely needs many hands...(but they all need to not be underneath...)

delo978 07-16-2010 04:55 AM

lol want me to call on the airforce boys

Greenmaster 07-16-2010 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by delo978 (Post 535064)
lol want me to call on the airforce boys

ROFL... I'm going to jack it up and make it so you need as few people as possible... not much lifting mostly sliding from the jacked up rollers it's on to the stand then the hard part is lifting one side to take out the boards then lifting the other side. But I'll keep it in mind :D

Greenmaster 07-16-2010 05:27 AM

Well this is me soldering the pipe to the aluminum plate (to fill in gaps and help with heat transfer) It's kinda messy but a little cleaning and it won't look too bad... plus it will be on the side nobody can see :D
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x...ngHeatSink.jpg

Slick Fork 07-16-2010 06:00 AM

How is your heatsink going to be set up? I maybe missed it but are you running tank water through the copper pipe? Or will it be attached outside somehow?

Greenmaster 07-16-2010 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Slick Fork (Post 535080)
How is your heatsink going to be set up? I maybe missed it but are you running tank water through the copper pipe? Or will it be attached outside somehow?

It will be on a separate closed loop system that will travel under the ground to dissipate heat... I may in the future branch off of the pipe and have it run through some plastic pipe and have tank water on the outside of the pipe to cool the tank on hot days.

abcha0s 07-16-2010 06:35 AM

320g build/journey/experiment :-)
 
Nice thread! Lots of great and original ideas.

lastlight 07-16-2010 06:39 AM

Agreed some pretty hardcore stuff going on here. I dig your creativity.

Especially love the shot of you taking the rock out on the raft lol! Not something I've seen in many (or any) build threads.

Greenmaster 07-16-2010 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by abcha0s (Post 535090)
Nice thread! Lots of great and original ideas.

Thanks I hope that with my "original ideas" (most are rip offs of other people just applied slightly different) I can do some things that have not been done that well in reefing (like a high bio load)

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Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 535091)
Agreed some pretty hardcore stuff going on here. I dig your creativity.

Especially love the shot of you taking the rock out on the raft lol! Not something I've seen in many (or any) build threads.

I hope with my creativity that I can create a very low maintenance set-up, but the set-up is hella slow.... I want my fish! oh well soon enough :D

simplycoral 07-17-2010 03:36 AM

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x...oreofstand.jpg

Tagging Along ! :smile:

I wondered if the ceiling above the tank would be staying? Is there much space above for access to the tank?

Simon.

Greenmaster 07-17-2010 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by simplycoral (Post 535299)
Tagging Along ! :smile:
I wondered if the ceiling above the tank would be staying? Is there much space above for access to the tank?
Simon.

Welcome aboard... There is not much space... it may be a problem in the future but for now it's staying the way it is... (I'll cross that bridge if I come to it)

Snaz 07-17-2010 04:39 AM

I love a good build thread and this one is great. Have put any thought yet into livestock?

hillegom 07-17-2010 05:10 AM

I can't take it any longer. I have to know how you soldered copper to aluminum.

Greenmaster 07-17-2010 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Snaz (Post 535331)
I love a good build thread and this one is great. Have put any thought yet into livestock?

Here are the fish in no particular order:

Bartletts Anthias
Yellow Spotted Anthias
Bicolor Psudochromis
Diadema/Purpleback Pseudochromis
Neon Dottyback
Orchid Dottyback
Flame Cardinal
Bangaii Cardinal
Spotted Cardinal
Ochre Striped Cardinal
Sankeyi Dottyback
Australian Black Percula Clownfish
False Percula Clownfish
Sunshine Chromis
Blue Mandarin
Target Mandarin
Flaming Prawn Goby
Orange Firefish Goby
Purple Firefish Goby
Yellow Clown Goby
Long Nose Hawk
Geometric Pygmy Hawk
Blue Hippo Tang
Hawiian Yellow Tang
Six Line Wrasse
Flasher Wrasse

I know this is a long list... This is my long, short-list... I will probably not be getting all of these.

Greenmaster 07-17-2010 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by hillegom (Post 535345)
I can't take it any longer. I have to know how you soldered copper to aluminum.

It's not perfectly soldered but it's pretty good and it's filled in most of the cracks... I used a tiger torch http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...070#post535070

mseepman 07-17-2010 03:23 PM

Wow, this gives DIY a whole new meaning!! Looking good.

hillegom 07-17-2010 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenmaster (Post 535371)
It's not perfectly soldered but it's pretty good and it's filled in most of the cracks... I used a tiger torch http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...070#post535070

Yes, I saw the pic of you working with the tiger torch. The solder will move the heat efficiently to the aluminum.
Are you using a special type of solder? It sticks to aluminum?

Greenmaster 07-17-2010 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by hillegom (Post 535416)
Yes, I saw the pic of you working with the tiger torch. The solder will move the heat efficiently to the aluminum.
Are you using a special type of solder? It sticks to aluminum?

It sticks to the copper and the copper is screwed onto the aluminum so it is held against the aluminum... if you took out all the screws it would still hold but if you gave it a little tap with a hammer it would release... so it is kinda sticking to the aluminum but not a very strong bond.

hillegom 07-18-2010 01:07 AM

yeah ok, I see. Thanks.
For where there isn't any solder, you could put on some of that thermal compound,,the type they use on cpu's (sparingly of course) But just by being in contact with the aluminum, heat will migrate from the Al to the Cu pipe.

I thought that maybe they finally invented some new solder.

Greenmaster 07-18-2010 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by hillegom (Post 535491)
yeah ok, I see. Thanks.
For where there isn't any solder, you could put on some of that thermal compound,,the type they use on cpu's (sparingly of course) But just by being in contact with the aluminum, heat will migrate from the Al to the Cu pipe.

I thought that maybe they finally invented some new solder.

I was going to use thermal paste to "connect" my pipe to the aluminum but then I did some math and I do not believe it is needed or will make more then 1-5 degrees difference. But to attach the LED's to the aluminum you bet I will be using thermal compound.

Greenmaster 07-18-2010 03:26 AM

This is a cool acrylic top I saw on someone's set-up so I got some mesh from a guy in the states (if your watching this feel free to post a link to your thread).
I ordered my acrylic... and like my glass nobody wants to give me what I want (they say it's too hard/too much work/they can't do it cause it shatters at that width)... so I buy a saw and an 80 dollar blade and cut it myself (at 1/2" in width there was not even a chip). Then I put it all together.
The saw and the pieces I cut.
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x...ithacrylic.jpg

The first step is to make the bottom rectangle. If you notice the piece that I put on top of the box is the full width. Making the boxes staggered like that helps to avoid weak spots.
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x.../Arylicbox.jpg

Then you stretch the mesh on the one side and glue/clamp the top piece on.
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x...tchingmesh.jpg

Then you pull the mesh tight to the other side and stretch it width wise at the same time (difficult to do solo without the right tools).
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x...osidesmesh.jpg

The you do either side pulling it tight (you may get some mild warping) then put the tabs on to make sure it doesn't fall into your tank.
http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/x.../Installed.jpg

fishytime 07-18-2010 03:42 PM

have to agree......great build thread and a great job on all the DIY stuff!:biggrin:


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