Even if it was, could easily have started a new colony by now but I don't think either party set out to intentionally rip the other off. It's cases like these that make me prefer to buy in person although I think the vast majority of Canreefers really do care about helping fellow reefers out otherwise they wouldn't be on this forum. Hope you guys get this resolved quickly!

Kien, passing me your popcorns quick. This is going to be a war between he said she said.

Ya so its Fair right guys i did everything right by shipping it being just a person some guy with a ****ing tank sold his coral and he gets the item, There was no guarentee between us he saw the pic i picked the ****ing thing up put it in the bag and shipped right away!. NOW! i have no ****ing money or no coral at all! What kind of Bullshit is that. Like you said its gonna be HE SAID and HE SAID AND............ Now been so long who ****ing knows what happened alse i know is i have NOTHING!

So im going to the RCMP in the morning to talk to my friend about the fraud/theft case. Then if this doesn't work im getting on my Bike and im gonna go up there and break his legs.

I don't even want to come back to this site over this crap i have no answers but im getting real ****in ****ed off right now. Just so u guys know there STILL!! is no PM response..... Im done!

IMagine if you posted the right amount? There would be absulutely no problems:mrgreen:

Having known Chris (Tangdaddy) for so long hes not out to rip anyone off, and im sure those that have dealt with him can vouch for him as well. I think the problem with this deal was the initial statement of 100+ polyps. Now with a statement like that anyone would expect 100+ and with only 65 or so polyps arriving anyone would be a ticked off. The reason anyone "bit the hook" for this deal was because if you added up all the polyps to cost ratio it was not just a good deal but an AWESOME deal.

I hope you guys can figure this out without too much hassel. Coming from a legal perspective if this was brought to court...im afraid your case is not very good, having advertized 100+ polyps with only 65 arriving is considered fraud on your end:sad:. This is of course if you didnt offer him compensation which you did so its a pretty tough situation to be in, being out your item and the money your promised is never a good place to stand. Dont get me wrong im not trying to say you did it intentionally just trying to see this from a legal perspective

Not so good to threaten violence on a public forum especially so if you're getting RCMP involved.

Chris is a nice guy & if you see the amount of coin he's willing to drop on this hobby then you'd quickly realise that scamming the price of 35 or so out of 100+ polyps isn't in his nature.

Hope you both get this resolved peacefully & without the need for police or legal action.

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So just to be clear here, you refunded him his money? Some portion or all of it? He received the refund but now is refusing to return the refunded goods? This is what it sounds like you are saying.

obviously TD didnt count the polyps in the original for sale thread.....the colony looks to pretty much exactly the same size (just not as happy)....so why are you counting them now?......you paid for what you saw in the pic:wink:.....

I'm with Doug on this one I mean come on he posted a WYSIWYG photo of the colony for you. If you were unhappy with the polyp count to begin with you should of backed out of the deal.

Not that our opinions have any relevance in the matter, but I dunno, I would tend to disagree with Fishytime and ZoaElite.. The original sale thread did clearly say that you were getting at least 100 polyps. Looking at the picture and counting, sure, you can't see 100 polyps but that could mean some where hidden on the other side of the rock that you couldn't see, so the buyer is left with trusting the fact that if the seller says that there are 100 there for sale, then there is 100 there for sale, even if you can't see 100. I guess this is where, "buyer beware" comes into play. It is kind of like buying a jar of screws. If the seller/product says there are 100 screws in that jar, I expect there to be 100 in there, but no picture is going to show me that there are 100 in there. All I can see is a whole bunch of screws jammed into a jar. :neutral: I don't know about you guys but I would be taking that jar of screws back and asking for more screws or a new box with the advertised 100 screws.

Furthermore, even if the sale was attached with the statement, "what you see here is what you'll get", if it is followed by, "and there are 100 polyps there", well, that's great, so I would expect to see that exact rock that is pictured, AND I expect to to get 100 polyps on that rock (even if I can't see 100 polyps in the picture).. Just like the jar of screws right? What you see on the shelf is what you get, but the label says there are 100 in there so you don't take the box home and tell yourself, oh there are only 65 screws in here, well, I should have seen that there weren't 100 screws in that box, dumb me, I guess I'll go buy extra screws.

exactly thanks for explaing it kien

I can see a couple important facts here that need to be resolved:

#1 TD has the money back

#2 TD still has the coral

The coral should be returned to the seller promptly. Perhaps at the seller's expense, which I am sure the seller probably would be okay with?

If TD is such a stand-up guy as everyone is saying I think he would be more than happy to send a product back that he currently, now, hasn't paid anything for.

This is where I am really confused.. TD says he didn't get any money?

From the post below, it appears that the money was exchanged via paypal back to TD

Ya. Again, that is where the confusion is. It sounds like the seller refunded the buyer money, but the buyer is saying he hasn't received anything. See, confusing. :biggrin:

When shipping fish or corals from dealers isnt their no guarantee on them?

Well whoever is in the wrong here, at this moment in time and it could be both parties, should just do the right thing.

In my opinion, the right thing would be to do the following:
#1 send coral back and refund cash
#2 go your separate ways

When exchanging live creatures there is always an element of risk involved, and more especially when dealing with folks you have no knowledge of. I think in this case, no one was out to take advantage of the other, instead Ego's were bruised by being talked of on a public forum and the issue has been escalated artificially.

Anyways, just sort it out like adults and get on with your day already.

Kien, I'm pretty sure from the sounds of the seller's upset post, that TD went and made a dispute on paypal. While the seller was gone, he couldn't reply his side of the story to paypal, hence paypal giving TD a full refund.

Disputes on paypal though I believe take up to a week.. You have to make a dispute, then escalate it into a claim. If TD didn't give the seller a chance to reply before turning it into a claim, then it would have been closed by paypal a lot faster.

I know how paypal works, and I think TD needs to make a choice, give the money back and keep the coral, or ship the coral ASAP without sabotaging it for the inconvenience. I would say with the situation as it is, take pictures of the coral before being shipped with watermarked dates, and show the seller, so when he gets it, he'll get what is in the picture and not what has been killed, or fragged or whatever else.

I think both of you should meet half way, First TD Asks for 100 bucks back, why not split $50 on each side instead going through shipping this coral back and forth and this does no good to the coral. This is why i hate shipping stuff because things like this can happen.

I think it is fair that TD resends money of $200 to Steve.

OR TD can also send me $250 plus the coral and i will settle it for both of you :-)

lol :lol: No way hozzay!! I am like the voice of reason on this thread, I think THAT I should get the cash and the coral and everyone calls it a day.

Actually how about 3 more people also send me $250 and free corals, I want to buy a new fork for my bike and have a 90G to stock up!!

PM for transfer information and address.

PS. I am still under the impression that TD already has his $ refunded from Paypal. I wonder what the current situation is.

Kien you do bring up a good point, I also have to say that the condition of the colony isn't anything like what was posted for sale . In the photos below you can clearly see that the colony was stressed to the point of loosing tissue and coenenchyme mass, I would love to compare it to the original photo but the poster has removed it for some odd reason.

I have seen tones of zoas come in from the ocean and there is no way that the transport did that to them, colonies will close up but in no way will they loose tissue mass during transport. Loss of the mat occurs from irritation over time, I would time check the posters original photo but again it has been removed. I might argue that the original poster posted an old photo and that that colony went into recession causing him to sell it. If this is the case then shipping back and forth is going to result in a piece of liverock with no expensive polyps on it...

I think everyone has lost here... Hopefully you guys can come to a resolution but posting openly that your going to break each others legs and get the police involved is only acting to antagonize an already convoluted mess...

man, those are some nice palys...
bet they look incredble under actinics.

maybe I can paypal the original seller some money and go pick this up from TD.

then everyones happy....especially me.

wow..
The solution is simple.
Return money, return coral.
problem solved. Think about it, it's a chunk of coral...srsly. Just phone eachother and be civilised, there is nothing worse than bickering back and fourth over pm's and emails.

I should know, me and my wife do it daily:biggrin:

what does you and your wifes love life have to do with anything?:redface:

Does canreef have a facepalm smiley?:wink:

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