I would be in for Edmonton also.

Yes you can get in on it. I'll ship with freezer packs so it shouldn't have any issues.

We have hit 57 bags...this is by far the biggest order yet, and I haven't even added in what I want for myself yet! I am also the only person who doesn't want garlic with her food.

Why do you not have garlic added to yours?

I've read a few paper that suggest that garlic contributes to liver damage in fish over the course of time. I also find that my freezer smells a little less strong without it!

I would like to order 2 bags with nori, without garlic, shipped with Greyhound. I will email you my work address for shipping. Can you accept an email bank transfer?

If anyone else in Edmonton wants to join in on the shipping I work in SE Edmonton (30 st & 60 ave) or it can be picked up at my house (south of Hwy 14 near South Cooking Lake) or I can take it to a willing LFS on the southside after work.

Catherine, do you have a link or something with the info on the garlic causing damage? I'd like to take a look at it. I'll still go with garlic in mine, but am only really going to be using the food to add into the varied diet I feed all my tanks....interesting none the less

Ill change mine to no garlic. My fish all eat like pigs anyways.:razz:

Frenchie, its changed.

As for the links, this is the thread that started it.

Some literature contained within the thread:

http://www.ajol.info/viewarticle.php?id=18706
http://www.springerlink.com/content/w1g55h5463225648/
http://www.reefs.org/library/article...tes-jorge.html

From there I jumped from paper to paper, via references.

The best post from the thread is Greenbean36191's
"Clearly there is evidence that in high doses garlic can damage the liver of fishes. However, I don't know of any studies that looked at the histopathology of using smaller doses, so there's really no way to say what, if any, dose is safe.

There haven't been any studies done showing that orally administered garlic does anything to fight off protozoans in fish. All we have to go on is anecdotal evidence from people saying that they fed garlic and the ich went away in 3 days or that they've fed garlic and they've never had ich. The trouble with that is that people who don't treat with garlic or treat with "cures" that are known to be ineffective can say the same thing. When I first started in the hobby I had 2 fish come down with severe ich and I didn't feed garlic and the ich went away. Since then I've never fed garlic and never had ich either. It's well documented that fish can recover from ich and develop immunity with no treatment at all. In the absence of controlled tests showing that orally administered garlic is effective, there's no way to attribute the effects to garlic rather than just the natural ability of the fish to fight the parasite.

Also, there's evidence that although garlic may induce fish to eat more, it induces lots of metabolic changes that cause the fish to use the food less efficiently. So again, there shouldn't be an assumption that because the fish eat more with garlic, they're healthier.

While I don't think there is enough evidence to say one way or the other whether feeding garlic is directly harmful to fish, I do think it can be dangerous in the sense that people choose to forgo proven treatments in favor of garlic which is untested. Ich is afterall a life-threatening disease."

And here I was blaming it on the alcohol!

Interesting reads!

I'll still keep with the garlic though please catherine

You know what guys, I am about ready to flat out give up on all of this.

I was the recipient of a threatening PM today over this food. I just want to clairify a few things:

1) I make no money on this what so ever, most times I loose out significantly after I factor in my time. The money given covers the food and bags thats it.

2) This is not for human consumption

3) I started doing this to make good food for my own tank, and help other people out by offering them the leftovers. You can't just make a single bag of food, you'd have an a lot of left over wasted product. I just wanted to help out, thats all.

4) At this point I'll probably just refund everyone their money and never make food again. I am tired of trying to help people out by splitting the costs and volunteering my time. However this is probably the end of that.

Wow. Why would anyone threaten you for helping people out? That's garbage. From reading past posts and seeing what a great response you've recieved from doing this before I made the decision to buy some bags off of you...what on earth would give someone the idea to send you a threat. That's garbage. Sorry to hear this. If you decide to not go with it, I completely understand. Maybe you could send me a PM with the steps you used to make your own and I can make me some. I've got enough tanks that I doubt I would have too much left over.

To whomever sent Catherine the PM : Atta ruin it for other people. Thumbs up to being a jerk.

Sorry to hear that. I would like to know who the idiot is that's causing you the grief. I know you will not name people. But this is just unbelievable.

Some people should just keep there thoughts to themselves.

I always try to help out when i can as well.

If you do decide to make the food i would be willing to buy a very large batch to help cover costs even if you do not offer it to others. My fish really like this food and i think it is much better then anything you can buy in the stores.

Keith

I am really sorry to hear that Catherine! :sad:This is my third order from you and I am very happy with the food and that you even offer it to us! Like 24storm said, there is not really a great alternative out there! I hope you continue to offer it and will continue to support you. (But understand if you chose not to.)
Carmen

Sorry to hear this as well. I too have decided to try out some of your fish food based on the great reviews you get on canreef. I hope you continue to help others out by making your 5 star fish food. That's what this hobby is all about...people helping people.

whoever said things to you is a jerk!
like seriously, why would you dink out at her like that?
i was hoping you'd still be making this stuff when i get my tank up,
but some big wrassehole had to go and be a jerk.

do you think you could maybe PM the recipe on how to make this food?
even though i would have alot left over, i know of some places who might want it.

Catherine, you should pm the Canreef staff and forward them them the message. The Canreef admins should ban this scumbag permanently and no one needs to know the identity of the culprit. Canreef can do without his (or her) type.

+1

+2

I hope you still make food and don't succumb to idle threats. I guess if you need to take it private to deal with people or need others to help you make it, I will step up. I do not understand what business it is to anyone what we as adults choose to do. I wish you DID make money for your trouble. I have made batches of food for my puffer and GROSS it is awful to make. The stink and goo, and the smell of my blender frying is enough to make me cry.

I hope this individual took the time to factor in the time, the fuel, effort, wear and tear of your blender and just your sanity in regards to making this food.

I would pay more for the food if needed, and perhaps you should take the steps in making this a part time legitimate business for yourself.

I sure hope you make this food, and if you need help, come on over here and I will take responsibility for doing what you are accused for. Do people not have better things to do instead of making an entire forum suffer because they have issues.

I can make my own food at home, but my Gawd, I would pay more for you to do it since it is yucky. Now what can be done to ensure you are protected form repercussions in case this person does cause grief?

Thank you everyone!

The person in question and one of the PMs has been forwarded to the Mods. I figure the threat/PMs are not from the source they claim and are not legitimate, however it bothers me considerably that someone would send something like that to me. I have requested that the person identify themselves and prove they are whom they claim to be, we'll just have to see what happens, and I'll go from there.

The only way I can see someone would have a legitimate complaint about your food Catherine is if it were an exact replica of a brand name food. EXACT. But from what I've read, you've come up with your own blend, possibly using other foods as a refference. There's no problem going that method as far as I know....

*shakes head*

Well... some people are jealous of your system, and jealous of the knowledge and friendship you bring to the forums. Plus you make food that is "crack for fish". I don't know what you put in the stuff but it works. Perhaps that's what the issue is, the fish are stealing everything in the tank to buy more for themselves:wink: They are skipping work to eat the food and have no life anymore since it's all about the food...:mrgreen:

Sorry it's a bad joke but we need to laugh about it or they are winning in the end. If you stopped making the food they would win in the end and probably start making it themselves to make a killing on it.

Thats terrible. I hope you try and wiegh the one bad comment againt all the good comments. I appreciate the food and all the work you do to make it. Some people are just born jerks and jump on any oppourunity they can find to reaffirm it!

Thanks for the food in the past, and I hope you decide to continue.

Its not about the content, or at least it wasn't. The person in question has been removed from the forums, and I am very thankful to the Mods for their quick action, and reassurances.

I'm looking into a few things now to prevent this from happening again in the future. It was something I always intended to do, although for a different reason, but further on down the road when I'd better firmed up a few plans and decisions. This is quite cryptic, but I'll sort some things out and then go ahead with everything.

I'll still make food. I'm heading out tomorrow to my favorite LFS to pick up some goodies, and then onto a few more stops for supplies. I am also really hoping that the food processor I have fares better against cuttlefish & squid then the blender did.

Glad to hear it was resolved Catherine. Thanks for your perseverance and the Canreef mods for their quick action.

So you all know this is what I received:

"I am sending you this pm, as i work for the government which monitors the internet for unclaimed revenue, I am inquiring to your business license # with the City of Calgary, as well as home business reference # number with Revenue Canada?

Are you also informed to the license required to to sell food products in Canada?

If you have these licenses please let me know them so i can verify, if not we will have to investigate further, and posible penalties could occur."

It botherse me significantly and I am extremely hesitant to go ahead with this. I did contact the City and they told me I shouldn't worry about it, however it is of some concern that someone would be contacting people via PM and addressing them as I was. I honestly am on the fence here, obviously I don't want to incure whatever wrath, if legitimate, this person alludes to, but at the same time...

The mode of communication and the large amount of typos, and informal writing style strongly suggests that its false.

Everyone has been refunded their money, and I've sent a couple of PMs.

This seems odd to me.. Does this mean we shouldn't be selling frags anymore? I don't see any difference.

Or fish or hardware... :lol:

thanks anyways Catherine. Sorry about the garbage person

So sorry to hear all this! Sounds kinda weird to me??? :question:

Now I don't know what to do for food. :wink::sad:

I don't know about Calgary, but I have a home based business and Revenue Canada does not have such a thing as a Home business reference #. I don't know the motivation behind their PM but they were obviously trying to put a stop to what you were doing.

Don't let them win.

I would assume that you called revenue canada to get the info you needed? I would assume if the pm was real it would be in regard to food quality, including handling practices and prep. I know for all foods in coffee shops, resturants, etc, they are not allowed to bring in foods/desserts prepared from home (unless it is made in a seperate special designated room that has been inspected by the proper authorities, do to possible prep/contamination issues). I guess it would actually be the food inspection or board of health agency that would have the answers. Good luck, I have bought your food in the past and it was great!

No Government agency would send
a) a PM
b) such a poorly worded letter

It's a fake. Too bad we lost out on what I heard was great food.