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Skimmerking 12-09-2008 01:21 AM

SO bubble king users when you turn off the skimmer does it rattle and hum or does it just start up

marie 12-09-2008 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by asmodeus (Post 366818)
SO bubble king users when you turn off the skimmer does it rattle and hum or does it just start up

The only sound I have ever heard from my bubbleking is a slight hiss from the air and even then if I don't look at the skimmer I don't know if it is on or not

Skimmerking 12-09-2008 01:35 AM

Marie what size do you have again Im looking at the 200 and some people are saying it not really worth the price or heck it is rated for 135-265 gal

i would love to get the 200 SM but its alittle out of my reach

marie 12-09-2008 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by asmodeus (Post 366820)
Marie what size do you have again Im looking at the 200 and some people are saying it not really worth the price or heck it is rated for 135-265 gal

i would love to get the 200 SM but its alittle out of my reach

I have the SM 200 so I can't really comment on the minis. When I bought the SM 200 I was looking for a skimmer that didn't require me to mess with it at all and it is everything I hoped it would be.
I was tired of cheap pieces of junk, I'm no good at diy and I happened to get a great deal on a RC group buy :mrgreen:

sphelps 12-09-2008 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by StirCrazy (Post 366765)
because they will be a lot cheeper there. probably 1/2 the price. Can you imagin what the shipping and such is here, plus the markup, ect..

you have the mark up from the manufacture to make ther emoney,(they probably sell direct in Germany for that price)
then you have the guy who has the distrubution rights in north america, who ships them in and adds a markup, then you probably have a canadian distrubuter who adds his cut and boarder crossing fees and shipping, then the stores.

It is just like some stuff I bought in Dubai and India, cost me 8 bucks for a carved eliphant from the guy who carved it, I saw something not as good sitting on a shelf in the brick for over 900.00

Steve

SM 250 is 1250 EUR with is over $2000 Canadian. Link

The vertex skimmers are made in the exact same Chinese factory as Euro Reefs. The pumps are made by Resun, not exactly the best pump makers. I assure you I know a little something about protein skimmers :wink:

sphelps 12-09-2008 02:30 AM

Hey Mike, my SM 250 has no problem starting up, the only sound it makes is a quick hiss from the air line. Once running absolutely silent, they have special pointed rubber feet on everything that basically eliminate any vibration as well. Plus I like the anti-lime mod on the pump and the fact you can take the base off to clean the diffuser plate.

I good link to pics of the SMs

Skimmerking 12-09-2008 02:46 AM

Well My mine is made up its going to be the Mini 200 just because i really can't break out the extra 300 im pushing it on the C now. and if i didnt spend the extra on the sicce pumps for the other skimmer i could have gotten the SUPER MARINE 200 :cry: so for now, have to make 1 one phone call tomorrow to confirm the price and if its still a go. then i will be having it here by the week end. if all goes right

stay tuned for the NEW SKimmer.
thanks to all for helping me get the right choice out. after all its just money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

Parker 12-09-2008 02:53 AM

Congratulations on your new little bundle of joy! :mrgreen:

Skimmerking 12-09-2008 02:54 AM

thanks ROb i hoping that its still there or its not having to be ordered in

Pan 12-09-2008 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by asmodeus (Post 366746)
yes I agree that the Bubble kings get huge Trash talk ,but why because of the $$$$$$$$$, then why are so many people in Germany screaming about them.

Because everyone in Germany screams?

Pan 12-09-2008 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by asmodeus (Post 366818)
SO bubble king users when you turn off the skimmer does it rattle and hum or does it just start up

Maybe you got the U2 Version...?

Aquattro 12-09-2008 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Ol Nobodaddy (Post 366846)
Maybe you got the U2 Version...?

lol

albert_dao 12-09-2008 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by asmodeus (Post 366820)
Marie what size do you have again Im looking at the 200 and some people are saying it not really worth the price or heck it is rated for 135-265 gal

i would love to get the 200 SM but its alittle out of my reach

Generation 2 Mini's (what you'll be getting) are rated at a 20% higher capacity than their predecessors.

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Originally Posted by sphelps (Post 366831)
SM 250 is 1250 EUR with is over $2000 Canadian. Link

Th vertex skimmers are made in the exact same Chinese factory as Euro Reefs. The pumps are made by Resun, not exactly the best pump makers. I assure you I know a little something about protein skimmers :wink:

The Resun pumps on Vertex skimmers are hermetically sealed and free from the corrosion issues of the rebranded Gen-X pumps. Additionally, with the new impeller bearings and shaft, these motors run far quieter than the Sedras.

Lance 12-09-2008 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Ol Nobodaddy (Post 366846)
Maybe you got the U2 Version...?


Bwaaa Haaaa Haaa! Dude, you're killing me!

sphelps 12-09-2008 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by albert_dao (Post 366863)
The Resun pumps on Vertex skimmers are hermetically sealed and free from the corrosion issues of the rebranded Gen-X pumps. Additionally, with the new impeller bearings and shaft, these motors run far quieter than the Sedras.

I'm not saying these pumps are bad but Resun does not have the best rep but this could change with time. To me they look identical in every way to the gen-x's and sedra's. People in the RC vertex club thread are already talking about switching the resun pump for a sedra. Comparing power as well the resuns seem to be rated at a higher wattage. Not sure why.

The vertex line is new and for the price they seem like a really good deal and I would use one if it fit my budget but I can see problems down the road which is common with any first generation skimmer.

focusing on negatives here but enough to worry me a little.
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resun pumps are the cheapest, crappest pumps avaliable here in thailand they are scarily inefficient and of poor build quality. Just to put them in perspective, they cost peanuts.

Its funny because they are not known in the US really, but they are poor, cheap pumps IME.
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Well, they certianly are....

LOUD!

Oh, well, I guess reefers on a budget will have no problem wearing ear muffs while admiring their reefs.

Another plus is that you no longer have to worry about Dursos or Stockmans or any of those overflow box standpipe silencers. Just let the water fall into your overflow sans standpipe--you'll never hear the crashing water over one of these Resun pumps...!
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A resun pump with 3000 lph output costs approx $17 here - and they break all the time. I would be very concerned about a skimmer which relies on a Resun pump. They make pretty good chillers though.

Veng68 12-09-2008 04:16 AM

Franklin went out and tested the power consumption of the resun pump on a Vertex 250 skimmer at Aquatic Addictions........ the pump says 145 watts but when he tested it with a watt meter....... it drew 67 watts. Franklin thinks it's because the 145 is drawing all water and the 67 is water and air mixture which requires less energy to pump.

http://www.canreef.com/vbulletin/sho...testing&page=4

Cheers,
Vic

mark 12-09-2008 04:24 AM

Why so much effort on a skimmer? Realize they're important but what's wrong with your tank you figure trading up skimmers are going to solve?

sphelps 12-09-2008 04:27 AM

Thanks Vic, that's kinda what I figured.

I just want to make it clear that I'm not intentionally trying to give these skimmers or pumps a bad name but the vertex 180 sells for around $360 while the Euro Reef 180 is closer to $450. Since the body's are made in the same factory and the vertex obviously has more money invested in the body it seems obvious a cheaper pump was used to keep the cost low. So far vertex owners seem to have good experience with the pumps but only time will tell if they hold up to the hype.

Cheers

lastlight 12-09-2008 05:26 AM

I recall that thread. To me it seems this todd march guy hates on EVERYTHING proline and i'm not the only one who's noticed this.

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Originally Posted by sphelps (Post 366868)
I'm not saying these pumps are bad but Resun does not have the best rep but this could change with time. To me they look identical in every way to the gen-x's and sedra's. People in the RC vertex club thread are already talking about switching the resun pump for a sedra. Comparing power as well the resuns seem to be rated at a higher wattage. Not sure why.

The vertex line is new and for the price they seem like a really good deal and I would use one if it fit my budget but I can see problems down the road which is common with any first generation skimmer.

focusing on negatives here but enough to worry me a little.


fkshiu 12-09-2008 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 366902)
I recall that thread. To me it seems this todd march guy hates on EVERYTHING proline and i'm not the only one who's noticed this.

But Proline distributes BOTH Vertex and BK, correct?

They are aimed at entirely different markets. You don't usually cross-shop a Honda Accord with a Mercedes S-class, which by the way is a very apt comparison: they're both cars just like the Vertex and BK are both skimmers, but they are in entirely different price leagues.

The modern Accord has gobs of room and plenty of power and uses less gas than the S-class (who needs a V8/V10/V12 nowadays anyway?). Therefore, why would anyone buy an S-class over an Accord? The same reason why there's a market for the BK - the rush of the massive engine like the power of the Red Dragon pump; the granite almost Fort Knox feel when you shut the door like the granite almost Fort Knox feel of the half-cm-thick cell cast acrylic; the Teutonic snob appeal of both.

Ask anyone who markets any luxury brand - people do not buy luxury items out of need and certainly not out of logic. It's a far more emotional decision.

lastlight 12-09-2008 06:10 AM

Well I agree with you about the appeal bit. I can't afford luxury on a bigger scale so it's nice to enjoy it within a tank build. Luxury in this case means getting really quiet product. That was part of what drove my purchase.

Skimmerking 12-09-2008 07:18 PM

Bubble king 200 mini
 
Well the Deal is done. Got a great deal from J&L for my mini 200 so i bit. I couldnt get the super marin 200 they had a SM 250 but, but it was alittle out of my range for a skimmer. SO will take pictures when i get it on Fri.....
ya so im excited the wife was watching me when i was paying for it well i heard some language i have never heard before


its all good thou.

lastlight 12-09-2008 07:47 PM

my daughter is 16 months old and when I open the stand she says "bubble"! Gotta train my girls early. It's too late for my wife tho.

Congrats on the early Xmas present.

Skimmerking 12-09-2008 08:50 PM

ya if there was a SM 200 bubble king I would hav got that one .. Sorry Steve I asked I couldnt wait til 10 days later I needed a skimmer now.

sphelps 12-09-2008 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by asmodeus (Post 367091)
ya if there was a SM 200 bubble king I would hav got that one .. Sorry Steve I asked I couldnt wait til 10 days later I needed a skimmer now.

haha, that's OK, I'll forgive you buddy. You got a good skimmer, it's a BK so you'll be happy with it.

Bubble King Skimmer: $1700
Compensating the better half: $1700
Spending Double for Mutual Satisfaction: Priceless

marie 12-14-2008 11:23 PM

So did you get it? I see you've changed your sig to include it. How is it running so far

Skimmerking 12-14-2008 11:27 PM

im still waiting, I ordered it on Tues and told them i need it quick, since i wont have a skimmer going on the tank .so If they could send it the fastest. well Im still waiting, Funny eh when you spend 1300 on a skimmer you think that they would kiss your @ss a bit. hoping tomorrow along with the 6212 wave box.

marie 12-14-2008 11:33 PM

Are they sending it by pony express? Mine came from California by usps and it only took a week

Skimmerking 12-14-2008 11:35 PM

i figured if I told them to speed it up that they would send it faster i guess my money isnt that great to them. i have a feeling that J&L are cheap when sending it express i guess.

Delphinus 12-14-2008 11:41 PM

It's probably not the greatest time of year for speediest of shipping.. :p It'll probably come tomorrow would be my guess.

Skimmerking 12-14-2008 11:42 PM

wel its saying its in Regina, but that was on the 9th

Lance 12-15-2008 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by asmodeus (Post 368707)
wel its saying its in Regina, but that was on the 9th


Regina to Brandon. That's only a hop-skip-and-a-jump! What the hell is taking so long?

soups 12-15-2008 12:34 AM

HI all, I'm new on this site, I was reading this thread about BK. I have a Mini 200 running for about 4 months on my 150g, And I'm happy with it. The only reason i see for a skimmer to be so expensive is because it's coming from Germany and the cost of the pump. Truly the best pump you can get in any skimmer. Just the pump cost more then some skimmers. :biggrin:

Skimmerking 12-15-2008 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by soups (Post 368726)
HI all, I'm new on this site, I was reading this thread about BK. I have a Mini 200 running for about 4 months on my 150g, And I'm happy with it. The only reason i see for a skimmer to be so expensive is because it's coming from Germany and the cost of the pump. Truly the best pump you can get in any skimmer. Just the pump cost more then some skimmers. :biggrin:


thanks SOups that comment makes me feel good that i have a great skimmer that will keep up with my tank

Skimmerking 12-15-2008 04:29 PM

the SKimmer is in BRANDON, YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWw
its out, ITs Out for ,delivery..................


:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgr een::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::lol::lol: :lol::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

dabandit 12-15-2008 04:53 PM

Dont know why no one wants a euroreef anymore,best bang for the buck I've found. Mine fills the collection cup everyother day with what can only be described as tar. The thing NEVER acts up and you can set it as wet or dry as you like. Because it was so affordable I was able to afford one double the capacity I needed and it was still half the price of a bk. I really am curious though,whats wrong with the euroreef?

marie 12-15-2008 04:57 PM

For my application they just didn't make an internal euroreef big enough for my tank, if they did I would of bought one. I also am a complete DIY idiot and wanted a plug and play skimmer that required no fiddling or modding to work better

Parker 12-15-2008 04:57 PM

You must be like a kid on X-mas morning. I know I'd be looking out the window everytime I heard a noise. :biggrin:

Parker 12-15-2008 05:01 PM

I've seen people make comparisions to cars when asked about the cost of skimmers.

A Corvette and a Cavalier will both get you from point A to point B reliably but, which one would you rather drive given the option to choose?

Lance 12-15-2008 05:08 PM

"WOOT" OK Mike, get that baby in and start pulling out some black gold!


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