yeah, i obviously missed the boat on that one. but i'm with you now. i will remember being gutted by the reefers if this one ever comes up again. :lol: i have a good example of another overapplication (is that a word?) of grammar - the word is "sympathetic", therefore one would assume "empathetic" is also correct. however, it is in fact "empathic" (according to a prof of mine, not websters).

as for the transformation of language, i certainly can attest to that. writers in the social sciences liberally change the meaning of words, or create new ones, to suit the circumstances. i can't think of a case in point, but it's something along the lines of "behaviour" and "behaviourism" becoming "behavism".

fascinating - from mandarins, to ethics, to linguistics! :razz:

That's a great site. Definitley! :razz: (that one's for you Bob)

Now this is a good discussion.. I am in agreence and also very sympathetic with Quinn on the matter. :lol:
Sorry I couldnt help my self :rolleyes:

Maybe you should stop taking them there..

Darn I go camping for a weekend and look what I miss, another meaning well but overly fanitacial post :wink:

Seriously though Teevee you got to stop putting so much faith in your reading, especialy sence you have no practicle experiance to coraspond it to.. I was just like you .. well not so fanatical :lol:

but rather in the fact that I read for 2 years befor I started building my crap. what did it tell me.. lets see what I learned sence starting my tank.

1, PC's are cool but no match for MH (books all told me PC were the way to go)

2, a yellow tang and a sailfin tank can't get along in a 94 gal tank (books told me no problem as then only need 40 gal each)

3, A Kalk reactor is prety much essential to maintain good growth, your pocket book, and your sanity when using MH lights (books said a calcuim suplament would be fine)

I could keep going with this for a couple days but my point isn't to show everthing that i have found to be not exactly right but rather to show that yes it is good to read a lot but don't take books for gospal. a book is one persons ( some times two persons) opinion. In fact most books we are reading are already outdated in the sence of moderen methods and equipment.

Personaly for the record i would trust a poll of 50 or more "opinions" over 1 or 2 "opinions"

Steve

Did he age 30 years and lose his hair :eek:



Just kidding Bob :lol:

Steve

Brad, I wonder if you could remove some of the dots, and H's from this post. It makes the post too wide for my screen, and I have to keep scrolling to read all the fanaticial (not my word) posts.

Yes, but don't be fanitacial about it. :smilecol:

Wow, lots of new words in this post. I lost count after fanitacial. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Yeah, c'mon, Brad....sheesh.

Mitch :lol:

I were gonna dew that last nite, but forgetted. I hope you can be empathetic towards my plite. It are don now thouh

I am sure glad that you have a signature line which states that anything you write is OPINION, because in my OPINION most of this post is a load of cr*p :2gunfire:

Thanks, but you were not the problem. Something else on page 3 is driving my computer nuts. :redface:

Maybe it's because you quoted Brad's original post, Bob. :question:

Oh, and in keeping with the thread......how 'bout them mandarins, eh?
I participated in that original poll that Brad referred to, but no conclusions were ever drawn, were they?

Mitch

Mitch, I believe a second poll was generated by the first and some conclusions were drawn. I'll see if I can find it again.

Here is the first poll/survey thingy

http://ozreef.org/reference/mandarin_survey.html

Go to this page and click on the alive/dead links in the paragraph re: mandarin survey. Some comprehensive charts there.

http://www.reefs.org/library/past_surveys.html

very interesting data, thank you for posting the links.

once again i must ask how accurate this data can actually be, as it appears to be drawing from the experiences of fourty individuals. perhaps one confounding variable would be as follows - respondents were individuals who had access to a large information pool, ie. the internet. therefore we can logically deduce that they know more about proper mandarin care than individuals who do not have this resource. if i wanted to be nitpicky, i would say that this survey is invalid, as it does not reflect the entire gamut of individuals who keep mandarins.

that said, i have certainly learnt a lot throughout the course of this discussion. i did some searching on RC (what i understand to be the largest saltwater aquarist community), and discovered that many individuals have successfully kept a mandarin in a ~40 tank. therefore i feel better about the chances of the mandarin which was the topic of this entire thread.

i still feel that it is essential to educate oneself on potential livestock before making the purchase.

thanks to the vast majority of you for keeping this at least partly sane, and for keeping me on my toes, and coming back to this thread every few minutes to see the latest response (read: attack). :razz: :biggrin:

edit - apparently the second survey included over three hundred individuals. therefore my first argument above may not be as strong as i believed.

:question: :question: :question: :question:

ho,ho,ho New attack. :snipersm:

i thought we canadians liked the letter U.

bob i think from now on, rather than have you edit my canreef posts, i'll send you my term papers before i hand them in, and you can go over them for errors. in a past life were you:
a. a critic
b. a failed english major
c. stuck in freud's anal stage

just kidding :razz:

All of the above. You provide me with more fun than I can handle. And BTW,I did not know you had an inferiority complex, as we usually capitalise the "I" when we talk about ourselves. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

just humbling myself, that's all :lol:

Brad: thanks for the links - valuable stuff. Hopefully it will help kgb's buddies out. ("MORE LIVE ROCK!!!")

teevee: thanks for being a good sport.

Cheers,

Well, we all need to do our part in saving the mandirians!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

HEy guys there was a post on here a while ago about the different signs and what they mean i think it is aj's picture under his name any one remeber the post

HEy kgb im not really sure what you are talking about but maybe i do are you talking about that link from the lounge making fun of the american government if you are then here is the link i think you are talking about:

http://members.shaw.ca/itpro/emergency.htm