I think this is being blown a tad out of proportion. Smoking is being banned not because it's hazardous to the smoker’s heath, smoking is being banned because it's bad for the non-smoking publics health. You can't really make comparisons to obesity. I can sit beside you and watch you plow 15 hamburgers into your mouth everyday and it would have zero affect on my health. Unless I can be disgusted to death. Where as If I sat beside you while you smoked a pack a day my heath would be significantly affected.

It's my god given right to fire off a few rounds. Do you want me doing it in the vicinity of your children? Nope, that's why it's illegal inside city limits. ( no I don't own a firearm - just an example )

LMAO, Lets move to CUBA

Been there, they have too many laws. I had a soldier point a machine gun at my head. Not so much fun

Too bad the Virgle project was a hoax.

Hope that eventually smoking will be completely banned in all public places, indoor and out. Indoor, for the health of the non-smokers, and outdoor in view of the litter. Beside the fact that some smokers can knock your socks off with a blast of "fragrance", I used to abhore having to pick up handfulls of cigarette butts before setting up my stall at the Farmers' Markets. And, where I've traveled in Europe recently, the butts along the streets, tram lines, subways, on the railroad, everywhere, is just disgusting! The gravel between the train tracks is literally white with butts. Personally, I'd really rather not see our great outdoors become a nuisance ground filled to the rafters with cigarette butts.
...But, that's just me.....

Aquattro, I believe there is a safe injection site in Vancouver where you can do exactly what you want! I am hoping you are just joking to make a point, though.

I am not so much against the anti smoking laws as against the government having anything to do with the removal of any personal freedoms.

What is next? If you smoke at home and you have children that smell it, you will be labelled a child abuser, have your children taken away, and be thrown in jail? I know this is an extreme example but the buck has to stop somewhere.

As to the litter associated with smoking, this is only going to get worse because people are smoking outside the bars and leaving butts everywhere.

And I am sick and tired of the pick-up lines and come-ons I have to face when I stop at my local grocery store after work because the parking lot is full of drunken morons from the bar. Being intoxicated in public is supposed to be illegal as well.

Um, yes. Although if someone smokes at home with kids in the house, I think someone or some agency should intervene. The choice of the parents to kill their children is probably not the choice the children themselves would make.

I am a smoker adn i do agree with the indoor laws, however the outdoors is questionable. as metioned before there are far worse airborn pollutants right outside the door due due the burning of non renewable resources that even as up to date as this week is killing hundreds of animals right outside your back door. due to the gathering of such fuels. how long can we continue to put of the electric car and such? i dont have any interest in driving one ever. but that doesnt mean i dont think they need to make a serious move in the next decade or so and make some with better power and longer lasitng bateries.

First of all the drugs are illegal and as the song says"God Da-- the Pusher Man" Seeing firsthand what heroin and crack do to a person and how that affects the legal system and the health system I really hope you are joking when you say you want to sell heroin.

Is this not the "Well if everyone else is doing it then my little bit doesn't matter argument"? I dont think specificly its the biggest health issue I just think its a non smoker weighing out smoker decision. I know I don't personally enjoy walking out of a Walmart to 14 people blowing smoke in my face. You also have to realise that people are allergic to some of the chemicals in smoke so these people smoking infront of Walmart are technicly infringing on their rights?

The one interesting thing on this thread is how everybody is blaming the government for this. It is interesting how a lot of people say they should be allowed to do what they want, where they want and the government should stick their nose somewhere else. I am not in the government I just run a small business here in the "Wack". Its not the government who says you can't park in my lot unless you are a customer..it's me...Its not the government who says you can't smoke in my shop... it's me....God help the loser that tries to take a p*ss on my property. Does that make me a dictator?? Nope just protecting whats mine. Do I try to recycle? Yup..do my best..not because the government says to,but it makes sense. You see it's all about perspective. Are there a lot of smart, intelligent people around.. You Betcha...put them in a group and the right situation and they become a mindless mob...Thats a fact folks...So if you want to smoke... smoke, just be a responsible[respectful] smoker, do it in your own home or your car[less your kids], just don't do it in my face. Let me enjoy a meal at a restaurant without the smell of someones smoke wafting at my table.
Ps: The government tell's you to pay tax's too......:lol:

Of course non-smokers don't want smoke blown in their face, or have to walk outside a doorway filled with smoke. The smokers don't particularly want to be out in the wet and cold either. So, give them their area to smoke in. As long as it's not bothering non-smokers, why not give them a room at the office or at the factory, bar, etc. Even the junkies have a place to crank up!

Why is it the companies resposibility to pay for a smoking area/room for the smokers? Certainly not for the junkies to shoot up either. As a patron of bars and restaurants who had supposed "smoking areas" I could hardly ever find one where the smoke didn't work its way over to the table I was sitting at. As for the poor smokers who have to go outside in the rain... Oh well.... Lets just say too bad for now. As a child I was subject to my parents smoking, now if I get a smoking related disease do I blame/sue them?? So am I blaming all smokers for all the health issues today... certainly not. It is a major contributor though. Is it a persons right to do what they want, whenever they want...No Freakin Way! Sorry smokers you are a minority now, so unless that changes...Majority rules...in the public workplaces etc. If they can ever prove that smoking is a health benefit well pass a pack of Players my way...until then....Butt Out.:twised:

I say smoke on your own time! If people can't drink and get paid for it why should smokers get paid for it? You know what a pain in the ... it is to track down employees when they've got to always go for a smoke not to mention the wasted time.Should a non smoker get paid an extra 2 hours a day more for not taking smoke breaks. Think of the whining that would happen then.

Right on......:biggrin::biggrin:

I'm not saying companies should be forced to provide a smoking area. I'm saying don't stop a business that does want to provide a smoking area for patrons or employees the right to do so. If my customers want a place to smoke, and I wish to provide it, who's to say I can't. If it's not illegal and not bothering anybody, where's the harm?

i am sick and tired of the segregation that is forced upon my people. It is unjust, when i am outside smoking i try to position myself in the highest traffic area so more of the self-righteous sucessful quitters can breathe my cigarette's refreshing aroma. Non-smokers are not the problem, they are great people, the problem is some of these people who have quit that it goes to thier head and they suddenly beleive the belong to an elitest tribe and they know what is best for me. Nuh-uh, smoking may be bad for my health, but i find it to be very beneficial to my mental wellbeing, is that not worth something?

Ok so lets say you provide a place for your customers to smoke, now lets say one of your non-smoking customers complains that he can smell smoke and it bothers him...What do you do?? I have yet to see a smoking area in any building where the smoke isn't an issue. Perhaps your business is frequented by more smokers than non-smokers so you tell the non-smoker "sorry its the best I can do" but if your business is frequented by more non-smokers than smokers I guarantee you better make the non-smoker your priority because its them that pays your bills. Again it still boils down to money.....

Hmm, Well I have never smoked and am very allergic to it and for someone to make a statement like that seems a bit silly and uninformed. As for segregation it is my choice to go or not to go to a place knowing that they allow smoking, whether it is a friends house or a family members, however if I go to a nice restaurant and would like to enjoy a nice meal or go to a sports bar and watch a game, as it stands now I don't have to smell smoke from someones cigar or cigarette. So as for positioning yourself in a high traffic area so non-smokers can enjoy the refreshing aroma....because of your mental well-being???? It's a law right now and I am sure nobody is going to shoot someone for lighting up outside, but it is the law and it seems pretty simple. As I have stated before, I don't care if someone wants to smoke, just do it where its allowed....

I'm not disagreeing with your statement at all. Of course if I'm losing business due to complaints I'll change things. My business is my livelihood. The point is: It should be MY decision!
2 years ago WCB legislated smoking rooms in bars. So I built one. A large room with excellent ventilation to the roof. Smokers had their own space; non-smokers had theirs. (Employees did not have to enter the room). No complaints. Everyone happy. Now that the smokers are forced outside, the non-smokers are complaining having to walk around them to enter or exit the building. I can't stop people from smoking on the street; it's not my property. So what do I have now? Now I have unhappy smokers and unhappy non-smokers. If the smoking room is set up properly, I see absolutely nothing wrong with providing one.
Anyhow, I've said my piece. I'll leave it at that, and we'll just agree to disagree.

Um, would you like to rephrase that? I am an EX smoker. and I am rooting FOR the smoker. Not all Ex smokers are the elite snops you portray them to be. I know how hard, no Damn near IMPOSSIBLE it was for me to quit. I amlost lost my Fiance (wife now) because of it.

I worked with a carpenter for several days up at the fish farm in Powell River. He would literally stop everything every 15 minutes to take a 5 minute smoke break. He kept asking me to stop too, but I don't work that way. I like to keep on working instead of stopping 25 percent of the time. He was very fast and efficient when he was working, but seriously, the company was paying him 25 percent too much because of all his smoke breaks. If he missed a smoke break, he would literally take 10 minutes and smoke 2 cigarettes instead.

My father was a 2 pack a day smoker for 30+ years of his life. He quit cold turkey when his doctor showed him X-rays of his lungs & told him "See this, dead 6 months." He quit because he loved us and didn't want to die so young, leaving us to fend for himself.

A week or so later, we had a house party and I asked my uncles politely to not smoke since my dad was trying to quit & it was literally a matter of life or death. My dad's bro, the "doctor", butt-hole that he is, decided that he wasn't going to let some grade 9 kid tell him not to smoke so he pulled out a cigarette, lit it & blew smoke in my face. I then went in my room, found my water pistol, loaded it, went back into the livingroom and with a big smile on my face, shot out his cigarette right in his face. My dad was mad & I paid for it with my sore butt, but guess what?

IT WAS WORTH IT!

That uncle never smoked in our house again. Muahahahahaha.

Anthony

PS. As you can probably guess, I'm one of those RUDE non-smokers (at least to smokers lighting up where they are not supposed to).

Some laws are created for the wellbeing of the general populace within a community. I'm sure not all of you have taken philosophy of political ethics, but when I look at this from a philosophical perspective, it makes complete sense.

Call it legal paternalism, this smoking law is created under the general fact that smoking is hazardous to your health. Despite the fact that its end is benevolent, its means are also coercive, which is why some of you are totally ****ing fire. You think that as long there is a designated area where non-smokers don't step into, that you you're fine. Or maybe you think that being on personal property is enough of a reason to do whatever you want.

There's no need for a public survey, because any reasonable person would understand that there are more benefits to non-smoking laws. I assure you that there are many counterarguments to this point, such as the personal pursuit of what makes you happy; legal paternalism makes choices for people, as if their safety is more important than wellbeing.

How is smoking equivalent to industrial and vehicular smog? Don't bullsh1t yourselves: vehicles create smog because we need them to get ourselves places. Power plants create smog so you can power your stoves and housing necessities.

After all that's been said: some, SOME, smokers are just too goddamn selfish and you try to justify your entitlement of smokes by attempting to put it on par with materials that clearly create social benefits.

No wonder there are no posts in the reefing forum. Everyones in here. :lol:

And just so we're clear, this is a non-smoking thread....:)

Feel free to pee though.....

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Ah, there! Relief found in the bathroom. We have rules in our house about not peeing just anywhere, ya know!

WOW, About time I started a thread that went more than 3 replies LMAO

Ok. I dont smoke. :lol:



and regardless if I agree or disagree with the places smoking is banned or not, it is. :lol: And I would guess its the choice of a greater percent of the population, so if I never agreed, I could stand out there with my sign, protesting and peeing on the sidewalk, and still get nowhere. :lol:

If Beverly can Pee here, can I Drink???

No, it's a rule. Not my rule, the government made it

Thats it, I'm Defecting...:razz:

She can Pee, but you cant smoke and I cant drink. Canada, Equality for all LMAO

Actually, I didn't pee here. I peed in the toilet in my upstairs bathroom which is two floors above my computer desk :)

OK, too much information Beverly.

I understand your frustration, I personally thought the so called smoking rooms were a joke in most cases. Didn't cover up much at all. It was IMO a joke that WCB tried to impose this rule on a lot of companies. The smoking rooms/area's didnt work in most cases anyway. I do understand when you spend 10k or more on ventilation etc for a room you can no longer use how pi**ed off you would be. Agree to disagree...Sure. IMO they should have just banned it entirely in workplaces a few years ago. I will also point out that in California and several other states they banned smoking in the workplce outright...Griping..sure but down the road people adjusted fine...