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Veng68 11-18-2007 06:43 AM

Well....... if it was a change in life cycle of the ich........ you will get the ich back in 2-3 weeks.

Cheers,
Vic [veng68]

michika 11-18-2007 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salmon King (Post 281990)
I am not a rookie in this hobby and would not kill or torture a fish.One thing I know if fish and the diseases that come with them.I have been in the saltwater fish since 1994.I f I do a exsperiment I am not going to kill a fish or make one suffer.The ick on all the fish disappeared after this power outage.Mabe it was this maybe not and all i hear is people talking about there magic garlic . . Iam not going to torture a fish with garlic hoping this snake oil cures it.The only known cure for ick is copper.If you grill you local pet store they will admit this even if they sell you these other snake oils.

My point was not in reference to garlic at all. I'm just saying that setting up an experiment to test your theory would be extremely challenging. The need to account for and control all the confounding variables would easily be your downfall.

It doesn't matter how long you've been in the hobby, or what some pet store employee says. You need to research for yourself, things need to be backed up with tested facts. If your only response to support for a product is your experience, or what someone else said, it doesn't inspire much belief in your claims.

Salmon King 11-18-2007 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michika (Post 282014)
My point was not in reference to garlic at all. I'm just saying that setting up an experiment to test your theory would be extremely challenging. The need to account for and control all the confounding variables would easily be your downfall.

It doesn't matter how long you've been in the hobby, or what some pet store employee says. You need to research for yourself, things need to be backed up with tested facts. If your only response to support for a product is your experience, or what someone else said, it doesn't inspire much belief in your claims.

In the beggining I didnt say power outages worked.One thing I did research garlic like I said in the other post on ich.You ask any pet store inB.C if garlic is a cure for ick they say no.I have asked many marine biologests and they say no.They should feed farm raised salmon garlic and there would be no more protests and they would probally taste better.

justinl 11-18-2007 05:20 PM

salmon dont get ich. they get sea lice.

we dont need to hear that garlic doesnt cure ich... we know. what garlic does is make food taste better. eating fish are less stressed and therefore less prone to succumbing to an outbreak of ich. stressed fish have weakened immune systems and are therefore more prone to ich. it's been stated before.

dont get so defensive, read what michika wrote carefully. the experiment you're implying that you want to conduct is a) morally unethical and b) very difficult to run properly. unless you can show us a solid scientific approach and basis to conduct this experiment, you wont see much slack from us in this thread.

Salmon King 11-18-2007 05:22 PM

ich
 
Lice and ich are both parasites

Canuckgod420 11-18-2007 05:44 PM

wow your an absrassive *edited*
no one hear is saying that garlic is the cure all for ich....
but i'll bet my entire reef that power outages dont cure a damn thing.....
I've used garlic for three years now and have had a grand total of 1 fish with ich.....and i've even suffered through a crash that killed all my corals, but not 1 fish died...and the ich never came back.

Doug 11-18-2007 06:00 PM

Please refrain from personal attacks.
Thanks

Canuckgod420 11-18-2007 06:01 PM

I'm not attacking anyone on a personel level.....he IS being abrassive.

Salmon King 11-18-2007 06:33 PM

ich
 
http://www.health-reports.com/allicin.html
Read this from albert doa

albert_dao 11-18-2007 07:28 PM

Errrr, I don't think you took into proper context what I posted.

My thoughts were that most commercial garlic products do not contain an active allicin ingredient. I'm not implying that garlic doesn't do anything, but rather that commercial garlic products aren't working as we're hoping they do.

EmilyB 11-19-2007 05:15 AM

Fresh squeezed garlic juice...no substitute ! :wink:

Sebae again 11-19-2007 06:22 AM

IMO the fresh squeezed garlic is the key .

marie 11-19-2007 06:32 AM

And it has the added benefit of making your house smell like an italian restuarant :mrgreen:

skylord 11-19-2007 07:24 AM

A little for the garlic bread a little for the fish...a little for the pasta a little for the fish and so on.

Scott

Jason McK 11-19-2007 02:00 PM

I didn't want to get into this but...

From what I've read (nothing scientific) I was under the impresion that all garlic did was stimulate feeding. that way a sick fish would be more likely to eat and therefore stronger to fight the illness.
J

fkshiu 11-19-2007 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason McK (Post 282288)
I didn't want to get into this but...

From what I've read (nothing scientific) I was under the impresion that all garlic did was stimulate feeding. that way a sick fish would be more likely to eat and therefore stronger to fight the illness.
J


Correct! It's no miracle cure - just gives 'em the munchies. Sorta like the wackytabacky for us humans. There's no harm in using it except for making your skimmer go nuts. Just don't expect it to be a cure all.

rigger11 11-20-2007 09:23 PM

here we go again..... magic cure this, snake oil that, when are we all going to learn that when ever mr. sk posts his "magic cure" or " you should try this" that all it does is gets a rise out of every single person on here! myself included!!! if we all just learned to ignore this guy maybe hed stop posting such absurd comments and ppl would not have to get banned or told to behave.

Aquattro 11-20-2007 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rigger11 (Post 282575)
here we go again..... magic cure this, snake oil that, when are we all going to learn that when ever mr. sk posts his "magic cure" or " you should try this" that all it does is gets a rise out of every single person on here! myself included!!! if we all just learned to ignore this guy maybe hed stop posting such absurd comments and ppl would not have to get banned or told to behave.

So you thought you'd contribute what exactly?

Bartman 12-21-2007 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veng68 (Post 281799)
I've heard that Neon Gobies act as cleaners but I've no experience with them.

Cheers,
Vic [veng68]

I got a Neon Gobi for that reason and at the moment he is the fish with Ich. Maybe I should get another. :biggrin:


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