600+ views, 40 posts, not bad people.
He-he, looks like I know how to start a good discussion …:lol: !

How about vaccines as the next topic :biggrin:

Oh boy, don’t get me started on THIS one !

I would call it "what else we've being lied about for 50 years " topic LOL

• Vaccines
Health Care (which is really a disease care, because doctors are trained by Big Farma to treat a disease not to cure it)
• RFID’s
• HAARP
• Active Denial Ray Gun systems
• New World Order
• UFO’s
• Mind Control
• Weather manipulation
• Last 1.5 sq/miles crop circle that was made in 90 minutes in England
• And of course everybody’s favorite …. Shape Shifting Reptilians !

This is so true !

That is exactly why Al Gore fired his chief scientist.
Poor guy had guts to disagree with Al Gore

You should have watched Fifth Estate last night !! ALL of the global warming debunkers are paid by the oil companies and encouraged by a lazy uninvestigative press.
With regard to the British judge , if the full report was printed it would show that in fact he said that the movie was mostly accurate and supported by substantial scientific research .
The naysayers have zero credibility and are not supported by ANY current scientific studies ....................

......................Dave

The 5th estate is a CBC show. The CBC is the state-funded (read my tax dollars funded) network. I do not appreciate my tax dollars funding the CBC with its inherent left-wing biases.

I am not arguing global worming, as I stated before all the planets in our solar system are worming up.
What I am saying is that humans are not the main reason for it.
We can argue until the cosmic cows come home about the reasons and who is paying for what, but why don’t we try to come up with solution rather then feeding our own ego trying to prove our point?

Perhaps alternative energy is a good way to go?


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BTW check THIS :cry: out regarding the mercury in vaccines !

And we were thinking it was banned !
In fact it has 4 times more mercury right now ( 250 ppm’s.)
Scary but Alex Jones may be on to something after all.


President Bush is to veto a bill that would ban mercury in flu vaccines for children despite its known links to autism and other neurological disorders and despite the fact that he pledged in 2004 to support such a move when campaigning for re-election.

The White House stated on Tuesday that President
Bush would veto the FY 2008 HHS-Labor-Education Appropriations Bill because of the cost and "objectionable provisions" such as a measure to ban the use of childhood flu vaccines that contain thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative, a press release from Autism advocacy group Safe Minds on the PRNewswire-USNewswire states.

Bush is calling for an amendment that would remove the children's safety provision from the bill


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The mercury in vaccine issue is very similar to the global warming issue in one way.

Mercury in vaccine has never been proven to cause any harm. Specifically, when you compare rates of autism in countries with thimerosal (mercury-based preservative) in their vaccine versus autism rates in countries with mercury-free vaccines, there is no relation between mercury exposure through vaccines and the autism rate. When you compare the autism rates over time before and after mercury has been removed from vaccines in a given country, there is no decrease in the autism rate. However mercury is known to be highly toxic and because some of the effects of mercury may be long-term effects which are not easily measured or observed, it is only sensible to avoid mercury in vaccines when there are less toxic alternatives.

Similarly there has been no proof that greenhouse gases cause global warming. However common sense tells us to minimize the amount of pollutants we are dumping into the atmosphere.

Two different issues, same theme, same conclusion. Avoid what is toxic if we have alternatives.

I just watched it, it's available on their site. You obviously didn't.

They reported facts.

I guess like Stephen Colbert says "Facts have a known left wing bias."

To fix something you generellay need to know what is causing the problem, you must know how and why something is doing whatever it is it is doing. It would be like taking viagra for a headache....you need to think about things before (as you put it it something about ego's) attack the problem or you could at the least do no good or make it a lot worse. If it is a naturally occuring happenstance that the world is getting warmer, through no fault of our own, then why fix it? it's occuring naturally is it not? If humans are casuing it , we should surely wish to know would we not? The problem with humans are, we are human, no one, not one of us as the intellect to be able to comprehend the nature of even a rock, let alone the universe, which seems to be why everytime we do one thing, we ruin 20 others. Everything is interconnected wether we like it or not, everything effects everything else. Not giving this as a reason to stop doing things, just think about what we are doing...deeply, change on this front would require a serious shift in the way we humans think of ourselves. We look at the world and everything as ours, not as we should just simply the most indusrtious animal on the planet, one of millions and millions of species, not the ONLY one. We need a shift in huiman conciousness or nothig will matter anymore. No not religious.... For example why until modern humans, did only a very few local natives live in arizona? NO WATER. Only enough lived there able to be supported by the little water that was there. Along comes modern humanity and builds cities there, and in Nevada...pump in water casue there is none there, then complains how hard it is to live there. People need some personally accountability as well. Some people, honestly do not have the bloody intellligence to take on such matters, and these are the people we need to worry about, because as long as they have there cell phones, crowded beaches and stupid gadgets THEY are happy, so naturally the world must be going well for everyone. Anyways, my rant is over and i could care less what anyone thinks about it.
I wish more people were capable of having intelligent conversations on certain subject matters ( this is not directed at you btw) I mean in general, as soon as someone hears something they don't like they go into idiot mode, it was like my first year university "survey" courses and all the young kids, all the passion but none of the brains.

The one thing I don't get about people in general, is why no one can understand that the world is in a tenuous balance. There is a reason for every living thing, they all have their own personal niches. Now, humans come along and start to disrupt this balance, remove vast amounts of forests every year but at the same time continue to pump ever increasing amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere which cannot be fixed fast enough.

Stands to reason to me that we will eventually push over the edge of the balancing act. Personaly, I don't see why we should not decrease emissions. If it was natural, would we not want to prevent it anyways? Can we really handle the massive extinctions? Perhaps doing our part will make the natural process less extreme? If it is natural.

I donno.. I feel sorry for my future grandchildren, all this grandstanding, with no one doing anything about it.

I watched the show last night. I was alarmed by the biases and mistruths in the show.

I am also concerned that my tax dollars pay for a show that is attacking the (Harper) government that I voted for.

The only guy who made any sense at all on that show was the guy at the end who basically said "we should leave politics out of it and just do the science, not everything has to be about politics". My feelings exactly.