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Moogled 08-18-2007 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 266452)
You did mention his name again with the comment, so I edited it.

If his mentioned name was the only problem, then I trust you have no problem with me re-editing back to what I wrote BARRING the mentioning of his name.

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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 266452)
The other quote although a bit rude, never mentioned anyone by name and I did comment on it. The reference to some of the pm,s we get, was a general comment regarding moderating threads and not directed at anyone.

I see. It would seem that my mistake here was not using the profane word but rather mentioning the Canreef user since you only commented on what TheReeferGuy wrote but never really took overt action in editing out his choice of linguistics. If I'm wrong about this, then it would be safe to assume that next time I read that thread, it will have been edited by you for "profanity."

Aquattro 08-18-2007 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by rigger11 (Post 266386)
times change this site is not going to be the same now as it was back in 01
the staff needs to see that and abapt with the change instead of just shooting down ideas of what members of the bord want to see.....
poll the members to see what they would like to see on the bord.......

oh god, enough already. We're not having a vendor rating forum, so stop.

Doug 08-18-2007 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Moogled (Post 266442)
Untrue.

Mods here are much more respectful and mature than other sites, but it's always a problem because sometimes they won't always understand the intentions behind your written word, as Greg finely stated.

Thank-you for that. :smile:

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This may potentially lead to banning because you don't conform to what their values of mannerisms are. What may be offensive to them may not be to another person.
We do not take a ban lightly and its fully discussed and agreed on by most all of the staff before any action is taken. And this usually follows one or more warnings, depending on the severity of the problem.

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Moderating is not like the law but their impression makes it out to be.
Not sure what this means, so I will just :smile: .

Moogled 08-18-2007 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 266460)
Not sure what this means, so I will just :smile: .

I'm embarrassed to say it but my posts are sometimes 5 steps behind my thoughts so I may not even make sense!

:S :S :S

SuperFudge 08-18-2007 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by muck (Post 266324)
Hey Marc,

I found a pic of you delivering a livestock order when HR had the free shipping promo. :lol:

http://www.kunsthaus.org.mx/Dulce/superman.jpg

LMAO !

Thats not my bike, i stole that from your kid !... mine had dingle balls silly ! :D

Hey how come when a thread starts to degenerate into meaningless spew....my super costumes and under attire become the focus of all your attention ?

If you dont believe me, a small search brings up some exerpts from as late as 7 years ago....


troy
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"Marc if you twist in a counter clock-wise motion you should have your panties unbunched in no time."
darren
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"you aren't referring to Marc and those panties are you?"
andrew
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"I may just require even more therapy now that I have envisioned Marc in a pink thong and Daisy Dukes.... "
brad
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"Sorry Marc, you can't come unless you're wearing these..."
colin
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"i think a 'borat' swimsuit would go well with the cape."
Christy
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"and wear your undies on the outside of your pants"

If i was a mod id ban all of you froot loops for violating the UA ! :mrgreen:

Lucky im sure you all secretly like to see me in them ! :p

Aquattro 08-18-2007 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperFudge (Post 266491)
Lucky im sure you all secretly like to see me in them ! :p

I know I would! And I want my camera with me when I do!!!

hawk 08-18-2007 02:50 AM

This is a mellow board, I don't see many threads getting out of hand or in need of locking (which thankfully doesn't happen often). Members for the most part are respectful of each other when disagreements occur. Every reefer has a different or more likely several opinion(s) on any given subject, so the occasional dust-up should be expected. I'm surprised there isn't more.
I use to frequent a billiard forum that allows any topic including politics/religion. In a real pool hall there was always a threat of getting a cue to the chops if you were too mouthy. In the pool forum there were no such constraints so it could get pretty wild. The funny thing is that two or three guys would go at each other over several days, until all of a sudden a new subject came up and all was forgotten and they carried on as nothing happened.

rigger11 08-18-2007 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 266454)
So what exactly does this mean then, if its not a direct challenge to the staff for not changing with the times. {whatever that means}.

Thanks

it is a direct challenge to change with the times.....

i just never said you should move over for "new" mods just for you (i say this as a whole) to change the way things are taken care of on here!

rigger11 08-18-2007 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by reef_raf (Post 266458)
oh god, enough already. We're not having a vendor rating forum, so stop.


i didnt bring it up,you did, sounds to me as if your still stuck on it

rigger11 08-18-2007 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Moogled (Post 266457)
If his mentioned name was the only problem, then I trust you have no problem with me re-editing back to what I wrote BARRING the mentioning of his name.



I see. It would seem that my mistake here was not using the profane word but rather mentioning the Canreef user since you only commented on what TheReeferGuy wrote but never really took overt action in editing out his choice of linguistics. If I'm wrong about this, then it would be safe to assume that next time I read that thread, it will have been edited by you for "profanity."

i still see no editing being done about this matter

does this mean it is ok for us to use profanity as long as we us"$" instead of the letter"S"

pretty sure we are all old enough to figure out what it means

fishoholic 08-18-2007 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug (Post 266414)
:sad: And what may that be. Yea, we just shoot down the ideas. Especially the ones that would make discussions like this even more frequent.

Guess I have been here to long to change. Just an old fart. Guess us old ones had better move aside for new staff, that can make dramatic changes in the board. Oh yea, of course one would need to get that past the owner first. :smile:

Personally I think you are doing a good job. Sometimes people on here as in everyday life are annoying (I'm sure myself included at times) and things being said are going to spark emotions. I don't know to many people who haven't crossed the line at some point in their life or at least come a little to close to it. Face it I usually can tell when I have done this is, so I'm sure others can as well. That is why we have mods to keep us in line, kind of like a principal at school but with a better sense of humor :biggrin: There are of course politer ways to disagree with one another but there are times when you know you could/should of but just don't want to.

justinl 08-18-2007 07:47 AM

Ill say that i think that this particular board is the best one around. well managed and well looked after. i doubt very much that new members want to join into canreef to be harassed without some kind of guardian angel over them.

if we wanted a board without mods, then NR is just a click away. I do frequent NR, because i dont mind it too much, but if it were up to me, I would keep canreef just the way it is now.

as fishoholic pointed out, sometimes we just spew garbage, if we dont think. ...or even if we DO think and just decide to do it anyways. Im guilty of it. Im sure most of us are, and Im not terribly proud of it. I think dealing with disagreements in a civilised manner (PM or otherwise) is not a gut wrenchingly difficult thing to do and if we aren't capable of it... well, like i said, NR is a great place to vent.

SeaHorse_Fanatic 08-18-2007 09:57 AM

I mod another fish board & for those who've never done it, let me tell you that it is generally a thankless job because it is impossible to please everyone. If you mod & edit someone's post, they'll often get mad at you & cry "Censorship!" However, if you don't, then you'll have other members mad at you for not doing your job & keeping the board clean or not enforcing the rules.

I personally think the mods at Canreef have been doing a very good job & should be commended for their willingness to volunteer their time. Mods become mods not for the "power" as some people seem to think, but it's because they love this hobby & have a passion for it & for their "home" board.

Any time I've had a disagreement or other concern, the mods here have been more than willing to discuss the situation. So thank you all for being willing to step up & help this community with your valuable service.

Personally, my pet peeve is people who think that the internet's anonymousness can allow them to become cyber-bullies & write offensive things that they would never dream of saying to the member in person. The mods here have been very good at stopping that sort of behaviour.

Keep up the good work.

Anthony

Doug 08-18-2007 01:55 PM

Thanks for all the good comments and support. Believe me, its appreciated by the staff. Well said Anthony. We are just aquarists, trying to help keep our great "aquarium" board on track. And speaking for myself, I have been in a few heated debates over the years, on various boards, so I dont speak from some kind of "holier" staff position. :D

I still have trouble understanding some of the problems we have on aquarium boards, mostly over off topic discussions. Thats not the main purpose of this board. As others said above, there are boards for that and lounge,s on certain reef boards where you enter at your own risk.

Why would one not go there and argue if thats their wish.

Doug 08-18-2007 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rigger11 (Post 266535)
i still see no editing being done about this matter

does this mean it is ok for us to use profanity as long as we us"$" instead of the letter"S"

pretty sure we are all old enough to figure out what it means

:sad: Unbelievable. Fine, I edited out all reference,s to that "word". I,m tired of arguing.

And I wish this thread to still remain open for the sake of constructive discussions.

Snappy 08-18-2007 02:46 PM

I think there are a lot of people that like to argue simply for the sake of arguing. :wink:

Doug 08-18-2007 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Snappy (Post 266561)
I think there are a lot of people that like to argue simply for the sake of arguing. :wink:


I agree and I may be one of them. :lol: But the correct boards should be used for that particular purpose.

Der_Iron_Chef 08-18-2007 04:13 PM

Let us, for a moment, consider the title of this thread.

It's ironic (but perhaps should have been expected) that this thread proved the very point the original poster was trying to make!

Let's all simmer. Step back a bit.

hawk 08-18-2007 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by fishoholic (Post 266537)
That is why we have mods to keep us in line, kind of like a principal at school but with a better sense of humor.

A good mod is like good referee. At the end of the game you shouldn't have even noticed him/her being there. We are all (most anyway) adults and really don't need to be treated as school kids or even worse needing a babysitter as was previously mentioned.

hawk 08-18-2007 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by justinl (Post 266542)
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if we wanted a board without mods, then NR is just a click away. I do frequent NR, because i dont mind it too much, but if it were up to me, I would keep canreef just the way it is now.

.

What's NR

Der_Iron_Chef 08-18-2007 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hawk (Post 266592)
A good mod is like good referee. At the end of the game you shouldn't have even noticed him/her being there. We are all (most anyway) adults and really don't need to be treated as school kids or even worse needing a babysitter as was previously mentioned.

I'm frustrated...but I'm politely frustrated :)

Mods wouldn't need to treat people like school kids if people didn't sometimes behave like school kids. Mature grown ups don't hurl nasty epithets and degrading sarcastic remarks at others. Or at least they shouldn't.

When you join an online board, you have to agree to certain terms and conditions. If we all followed those terms and conditions, we'd all have spared ourselves a lot of time reading and responding in this thread, and could have spent the time cleaning our glass or daydreaming about starphire and deltecs and vortechs. Mmmm.....

hawk 08-18-2007 06:03 PM

Any group of people, I don't care who they are from Quakers to politicians are going to have disagreements, some will turn to arguments, some of those will get heated. Just the way the world works my friend. To expect that Canreef or any board is going to 100% free of conflict is ridiculous. People need to stop making mountains out of molehills. Canreef has a good membership and is run well, to tighten things up further will be a real shame.

fishface 08-18-2007 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hawk (Post 266598)
Any group of people, I don't care who they are from Quakers to politicians are going to have disagreements, some will turn to arguments, some of those will get heated. Just the way the world works my friend. To expect that Canreef or any board is going to 100% free of conflict is ridiculous. People need to stop making mountains out of molehills. Canreef has a good membership and is run well, to tighten things up further will be a real shame.

very well spoken ...thank you hawk.

Der_Iron_Chef 08-18-2007 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hawk (Post 266598)
Any group of people, I don't care who they are from Quakers to politicians are going to have disagreements, some will turn to arguments, some of those will get heated. Just the way the world works my friend. To expect that Canreef or any board is going to 100% free of conflict is ridiculous. People need to stop making mountains out of molehills. Canreef has a good membership and is run well, to tighten things up further will be a real shame.

Oh, I never assume that Canreef should be 100% free of conflict. I just assume that there's always a civil way to deal with that conflict.

Carry on....

hawk 08-18-2007 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hawk (Post 266592)
A good mod is like good referee. At the end of the game you shouldn't have even noticed him/her being there. We are all (most anyway) adults and really don't need to be treated as school kids or even worse needing a babysitter as was previously mentioned.

I should clarify, when I said "not notice him/her" I meant in the capacity of mod. Mod contributions to regular threads are an obvious benefit to the community.

justinl 08-18-2007 08:06 PM

yes i agree that a mod is like a good ref. but even good referees have to say "this is where i draw the line, this is where i step in." there are set rules (set by the owner of the board), mods keep the rules, we abide to them. if we dont abide to the rules and insist on making our own, then theres no point in having the ref to keep them are there? sometimes a ref HAS to step in, not because they want to or because they simply can, but because the players themselves are out of line.

thankfully, i find that our "refs" dont need to step in as often as in some other boards.

NR stands for nano-reef. great site for nano aquariums... obviously. www.nano-reef.com

Doug 08-18-2007 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Der_Iron_Chef (Post 266596)
I'm frustrated...but I'm politely frustrated :)

Mods wouldn't need to treat people like school kids if people didn't sometimes behave like school kids. Mature grown ups don't hurl nasty epithets and degrading sarcastic remarks at others. Or at least they shouldn't.

When you join an online board, you have to agree to certain terms and conditions. If we all followed those terms and conditions, we'd all have spared ourselves a lot of time reading and responding in this thread, and could have spent the time cleaning our glass or daydreaming about starphire and deltecs and vortechs. Mmmm.....

Well since everyone else is commenting, I will say "amen" and "thank-you" for that post. :smile:

Doug 08-18-2007 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hawk (Post 266598)
Any group of people, I don't care who they are from Quakers to politicians are going to have disagreements, some will turn to arguments, some of those will get heated. Just the way the world works my friend. To expect that Canreef or any board is going to 100% free of conflict is ridiculous. People need to stop making mountains out of molehills. Canreef has a good membership and is run well, to tighten things up further will be a real shame.

Cant argue with that either but then thats why there are moderators. Just in reference to your last sentence, there are none, nor have there been plans to tighten things up. We try to stay someplace between boards that have free for alls and others that have a very strict policy.

PoonTang 08-19-2007 10:01 PM

I think i'll just stay completely stay out of this one. I caused enough of a stir last week :twised:


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