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Myka 03-18-2017 07:16 PM

Ok, I can't resist. I found this pic awhile back. i think Ryan Erickson will particularly enjoy it.

https://heatherstinnett.files.wordpr...-lion-blog.jpg

F.H 03-18-2017 08:40 PM

I've tried to be lazy and not test for a while (we all have) but now the one thing that forces me to do it is the fact that newly mixed saltwater can have varying parameters from your tank. In essence, you can do damage to your tank with a water change because the batch of newly mixed saltwater can have low alk or very high alk, which can cause a sudden swing in your tank. It wasn't until much later into the hobby that I realized this. I've heard stories of people getting a tank crash due to something assumably good like a water change, and therefore if I try to stay on schedule of a water change every 2 weeks, then I'm forced to check my parameters.

I've even noticed, that when I was using salinity salt, the alk would be different from a fresh mix (around 8.5) vs letting it sit overnight, where it would drop down to about 6.

I feel like keeping an eye on alk is the most important, even with lps. Sometimes when I'm being lazy I might skip a ca check, but alk is something I've told myself not to skip. Even mag I don't test as often because it depletes slower. Although lately I've noticed that if my mag drops too low then my lps, chalices especially, don't like it so I try to avoid letting it get that low.

The "looking at my tank" method works for me with phosphate checks, which I don't do as often, as I can tell (somewhat) depending on the colours and how often I have to clean the glass etc where it might be... so I can be slightly lazier with phosphate checks. Although I must note that if I had an sps only system, then I would probably keep a much closer eye on nutrient levels.

MitchM 03-18-2017 08:44 PM

It's too bad that this forum doesn't allow for "likes" because there have been a number of good points brought up.
Healthy corals will give you a grace period of living in less than ideal conditions until their own health starts to decline and then they are susceptible to disease and infection.
Healthy corals can last for many months in poor conditions.

Flaunting "no water tests" is typically done by people new to the hobby and certainly does not help newcomers trying to have long term success.

Tests have shown that varying water parameters - salinity, temperature, lighting conditions will lead to having stronger corals, but the varying parameters must be present from the beginning while the coral is young and the person controlling the conditions must be aware what those varying conditions are.

Negligence is not a recipe for success.

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Sharkbait-huhaha 03-18-2017 09:52 PM

Ok, not going to lie. I had that "What if" pondering all yesterday and this morning. So after 202 days of not checking my Alk, I borrowed a friends to check it out.

This is what I got:
reading in ml 0.52, KH value in dKH 7.3
I did a 10% WC yesterday morning, and about 2 weeks off from a 30% WC.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...psmstfqwb5.jpg

And you guys are all right, it all took but 2 minutes to achieve this test.

Potatohead 03-18-2017 10:34 PM

I think someone mentioned earlier, this is basically asking if you keep SPS ( mainly acros) or not. If you have a softie or even LPS tank you can likely get away with water changes and likely never having to dose, unless you have a bunch of coralline or something. With a bunch of SPS though you can quite literally lose everything by having your doser stop working and you discover it 24 hours (or even less) later.

tang daddy 03-18-2017 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharkbait-huhaha (Post 1010870)
Ok, not going to lie. I had that "What if" pondering all yesterday and this morning. So after 202 days of not checking my Alk, I borrowed a friends to check it out.

This is what I got:
reading in ml 0.52, KH value in dKH 7.3
I did a 10% WC yesterday morning, and about 2 weeks off from a 30% WC.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...psmstfqwb5.jpg

And you guys are all right, it all took but 2 minutes to achieve this test.

Lol good for you buddy, now go and buy an alk tester and at bare minimum test ever week.
If you're using IO salt the alk is usually higher like 9-9.5 so this helps raise your alk abit in smaller WC.

With the salifert I can do test in under 30 seconds. And I usually try and test every Friday morning at 11am when the lights are out.

DKoKoMan 03-19-2017 07:08 AM

Awesome to hear that you tested and everything is good'

Myka 03-19-2017 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharkbait-huhaha (Post 1010870)
Ok, not going to lie. I had that "What if" pondering all yesterday and this morning. So after 202 days of not checking my Alk, I borrowed a friends to check it out.

This is what I got:
reading in ml 0.52, KH value in dKH 7.3
I did a 10% WC yesterday morning, and about 2 weeks off from a 30% WC.

And you guys are all right, it all took but 2 minutes to achieve this test.

Awesome!

Honestly though, with your tank full of LPS you're walking a fine line at 7.3 dKH. That's approaching the danger zone IME.

As mentioned, softie and LPS tanks can often be maintained through waterchanges provided you're using a salt mix with elevated parameters such as Reef Crystals. If you're using IO you will usually end up being quite low in Ca since alk is elevated, but Ca is not. This is why choosing a salt mix can be quite important!

For your tank Shark bait, you can probably maintain your tank simply by adding a small dose of alk between waterchanges and then (possibly) adding some calcium to the freshly mixed saltwater to help boost Ca (if it is indeed low).

As mentioned, coralline algae can suck up a significant amount of Ca and alk to the point where it needs to be replenished to keep the corals happy. The corals aren't using up much themselves, but they will suffer when the coralline sucks it all out and they're left with peanuts!

mike31154 03-20-2017 03:33 AM

I don't test much. Mostly LPS in my tank, only SPS are monti caps in green & tan. They grow like the dickens (the montis) so I know there's calcium. I don't dose anything either, use standard IO salt. Fish are healthy, my Maroon clownfish pair have been spawning forever, I have some hair algae, not that concerned, it filters the water... I get the refractometer out to check salinity when I do water changes, that's about it these days. When I did test alk regularly, it was chronically low, according to the test kit. My theory is, if there's even a trace of calcium in the water, the coral will find it & use it. It's a hobby to me, not a fanatic, I'm not doing the fish, coral, rock, clean up crew, inverts any favours by keeping them if a 4 foot enclosure.

Bblinks 03-20-2017 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharkbait-huhaha (Post 1010870)
Ok, not going to lie. I had that "What if" pondering all yesterday and this morning. So after 202 days of not checking my Alk, I borrowed a friends to check it out.

This is what I got:
reading in ml 0.52, KH value in dKH 7.3
I did a 10% WC yesterday morning, and about 2 weeks off from a 30% WC.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...psmstfqwb5.jpg

And you guys are all right, it all took but 2 minutes to achieve this test.

Do you moisturize? Your hand looks very soft and manicured....just saying...:lol:

Animal-Chin 03-20-2017 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myka (Post 1010890)
Awesome!

Honestly though, with your tank full of LPS you're walking a fine line at 7.3 dKH. That's approaching the danger zone IME.

!


What kind of danger zone? I run mine in the low 7's all the time as I'm carbon dosing and my sps tips burn at about 8.

Sharkbait-huhaha 03-20-2017 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bblinks (Post 1010933)
Do you moisturize? Your hand looks very soft and manicured....just saying...:lol:

Lmao I don't know what to say to that.. :lol:

Animal-Chin 03-20-2017 07:09 PM

Its a simple yes or no answer, moisterize or not? Lol

Sharkbait-huhaha 03-20-2017 07:13 PM

I actually work in construction. I use O'Keeffe's Working Hands Hand Cream after a work day. So, yes. :lol:

Bblinks 03-20-2017 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharkbait-huhaha (Post 1010942)
I actually work in construction. I use O'Keeffe's Working Hands Hand Cream after a work day. So, yes. :lol:

LMFAO!!! Thanks for the lunch hour comedy break. :mrgreen:

jason604 03-23-2017 06:11 AM

Alright so after about a year of not testing my water I decided to also just do one for the hell of it. And certainly not to any suprise, my parameters are normal. Alk 7 and cal 400

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/...ps42xpqggx.jpg

Bblinks 03-23-2017 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason604 (Post 1011072)
Alright so after about a year of not testing my water I decided to also just do one for the hell of it. And certainly not to any suprise, my parameters are normal. Alk 7 and cal 400

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/...ps42xpqggx.jpg

The guilt sets in. Lol good to see everything is on point. Keep the cruise control going, don't fix it if it ain't broke.:biggrin:

DKoKoMan 03-23-2017 04:55 PM

Ha ha, cruise control! I wish I wasn't on and off the gas so much.

jason604 03-23-2017 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bblinks (Post 1011085)
The guilt sets in. Lol good to see everything is on point. Keep the cruise control going, don't fix it if it ain't broke.:biggrin:

Haha thx. Yes cruise control is awesome lol. I decided to put a bit more love into my tank. Starting to scrap the back glass slowly as it is fully encrusted with coraline algae combine with 3 water changes this week so the scrapped coraline doesn't cause any damage to my water or if it does at all. It's actually really really hard for me to clean my back glass cuz of sps growth and rockwork blocking my path which was why I neglected doing it for so long now.

hunggi74 03-23-2017 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bblinks (Post 1010933)
Do you moisturize? Your hand looks very soft and manicured....just saying...:lol:

Don't mind him...he's so used to seeing rough and callused gym hands LOL

Bblinks 03-23-2017 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason604 (Post 1011088)
Haha thx. Yes cruise control is awesome lol. I decided to put a bit more love into my tank. Starting to scrap the back glass slowly as it is fully encrusted with coraline algae combine with 3 water changes this week so the scrapped coraline doesn't cause any damage to my water or if it does at all. It's actually really really hard for me to clean my back glass cuz of sps growth and rockwork blocking my path which was why I neglected doing it for so long now.

I don't ever clean my back glass, that's why I have the black background so you can't see it. I made a huge mistake with the ocean blue background for the 210. It was awesome for about whole 3 days....lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunggi74 (Post 1011090)
Don't mind him...he's so used to seeing rough and callused gym hands LOL

I was merely stating a fact.....you didn't have to get personal...:mrgreen:

jason604 03-24-2017 02:34 AM

I have black background as well but u can't even seee it no more cuz of all coraline algae


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