Sorry I don't want to hijack this tread, but Thanks for sharing Walter.

I will try that on my CB. I have 2 and already started eating PE Mysis. That's a brilliant idea.

Still pigging out on oysters. Saw some sampling of red seaweed today.

Interesting, the little guy's dorsal streamer has grown over 2 inches since Friday. Bigger guy just started regrowing his, quite a bit behind the smaller fish. Smaller still seems more settled than the bigger one.
When it comes time to re-home, the big one will hopefully go to larger tank.

Good to hear... fingers still crossed for you!

Just like I said....un-huh! :wink:

lol. Go tell Jeff to get my purple stuff here quick!

End of week 1. Both fish doing well, eating clams and oysters. Bigger one is now eating mysis and the smaller is sampling the purple algae.
I need to do a 50% water change tomorrow, as I can notice the effects of dumping in all this food!
Dorsal filaments are growing like crazy. Smaller fish doesn't look like he's put on any weight, but looks more relaxed in the tank vs the larger fish.

Read an article by Bob Fenner suggesting always add MIs in pairs, I think maybe Bob has a drinking problem. We'll see :)

It's not a drinking problem if that's the gospel he's preaching 0___0

Interesting news today. There is another local guy that also got a pair of MI from the same box. Both eating before mine, but lasted only a week. I have no idea how that tank is setup to compare to mine.

Mine are both eating everything but pellets now, so hopefully I'm doing something righter..

We probably need another pic about now.:lol:

Ya, probably. Maybe a pic of them biting me, or eating putty? :)

Brad, are both MIs getting along? Maybe I should add a couple more...

So far, but according to the RC thread, it's not likely to last. We'll see..

try Greek Mysis

Steve

2 week anniversary. The little guy stopped eating well for a couple days, but seems to have his appetite back again. Still a bit thin, but eating well. Big guy eats everything, but still looks a bit frazzled in the tank. Concerned with re-homing tho, as I'm not sure I know anyone that I trust can keep him alive.

I hope in time it subsides, but for now, I realize I can't enjoy these fish, I'm always worried about waking up or coming home to dead fish! I suppose with more time that will pass, but for now, I'm still anxious getting home from work.

I'll try and dig out the camera for an updated shot later tonight.

Brad whats a DT.

DeTox?

Display tank

Both of the above :)

Right on Brad congrats on the MI so far dude they will do good bud :mrgreen:

It's only 2 weeks Mike, not going to celebrate yet. Might start feeling confident at 6 months!!

I'll add that I think I've done everything right this time to support these fish. If they don't make it, I won't try again.

I got a good feeling Brad. As long as it's eating good it will do just fine. I am pretty interested in the pair though, interesting on how that's gonna pan out.

Me too
I think they're keepers

The other guy here that got two had them eating everything in 2 days, fed multiple times per day. They lasted a week. He says he has strong flow and doesn't drop it at night, but woke up to 2 dead fish one morning.
Based on that, I'm going to wait a while before I relax a bit :)

As for a pair, I'd maybe hold off and see what mine do. Most (all?) reports in the MI thread at RC say it won't work long term. Hate to see you lose a stable one by adding a second.

I think you both should forget the idea of a pair as it's apparently not succesful long-term
I'll be by to pickup your un-wanted 'other' Brad :lol:

OK, maybe not. And I don't know if I could ever house one in my 75g anyway. I'm sure it's on the 'OMG, your tank is too small' list :lol:

I'm still cheering for you Brad. I wanna see you succeed with your 2 dudes long-term, no matter what Denny or his poll says :eat this Mr Negative: :mrgreen:

Didn't the poll mostly think they'll be fine? :)

The problem I have is the pair gets along fine now, but if they fight, which one to part with, and to where? I'd hate to re-home it and see it die a week later

Name them and then keep the one with the name you like the most.

or

Flip a coin.

or

Stick it out and see what happens? Just have someone ready to take one if needed. Hoping for the best.

Hmm, not impressed with the poll results
67-33 they will make it
Looks like you're above the failing level of most College students though, so I'd say you're good to go ( bad reference, had nothing else to offer)

Keep them both. If things go sideways, you could always make a trip to J&L and drop one off at my place. I'm sure Donna would love one in our 75g :lol:

Again, died overnight. Both at the same time. DO level is always at its lowest at night when lights out after several hours. As I said before, strong flow does not equal high DO. This has been measured before in Eric's paper and also I had strong flow at the surface of my tank which didn't really increase DO. Obviously, I don't know the setup and am just speculating, but the only way to know for sure what the DO levels are from 2am-6am is with a DO monitor/meter which almost no one uses. The sudden death overnight of both animals is a clue. Why always at night? If diet was an issue, the fish would waste away slowly. We've all seen what it looks like when a fish dies from malnutrition.

DO levels fluctuate wildly from day to day, night to night. But the lowest levels are always at night after lights out for several hours and the levels each night are different. I've had my levels go from 125% saturation during the day to something like 35% at night even with skimmer on. Some nights I get 40%. This was 10 years ago. Nowadays, I think I'm getting closer to 80% at night since I have no algae and deploy a UV sterilizer. There are countless things that affect DO but very few aquarists know what their lowest DO levels are at night. In most cases it doesn't matter because many big systems have enough DO for almost all of the fishes out there. Most marine fishes don't need a lot of DO. I think clownfishes only need 18% DO. I read that just a while ago.

Mostly the plan for now. Except the part of having someone ready to take one of needed :) I keep them full, there is a good size difference, and they seem like friends for now, so I'll try and stick it out.

Ya, I don't know the system either. I do know he has a lot less algae, but a lot more coral. And his idea of strong flow might not be mine. Currently my bulbs are covered in salt from splashing, and they're a foot off the water. My flow heavily breaks the surface 24/7. Without a DO meter tho, no real way to tell what happens over night.

I recall now that he doses H2O2, which reduces the amount of DO in solution, so maybe significant?

Could be a big factor
So you know there's a home for one here, right ? Just in case you need to make a trip to J&L ... :wink:

Just kidding
If I really wanted one I could go local

Keep in mind these things have a recommended tank size of 200g :) I wouldn't add one to a 75g.

Me either. I have enough challenges as it is.

IF stuck having to choose which one to give away, my thoughts would always be the biggest and strongest. The one with the most chance of surviving somewhere else.

Somewhat agree. The bigger is a more robust specimen, and much fatter, AND, he seems more annoyed with the smaller tank. But, the smaller guy is still on my worry list whether he'll put on some weight. So I could end up giving the survivor away and losing the one I keep. This could change over the next month, so we'll see. Hopefully they stay buddies and I can keep both. Not counting on that though..

It would be really interesting to see what the actual DO is reading. I think we should get canreef to sponsor one.... I mean if indeed this is the case that caused a pair of well fed fish into their untimely demise then we might be onto something here. This could potentially save a lot of heartache for a lot of us in this hobby.

Sam, you think you will be able to get your hands on one of them meters?

JL has some but don't try to quarantine it, it will just die....