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Reef Pilot 10-27-2015 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaHorse_Fanatic (Post 968060)
I mostly use W1. Also, the power supplies are 1.5A.

Didn't think a WP40 could run with the 1.5 amp PS?

Aquattro 10-27-2015 02:45 AM

Just lost a RW15 from soaking it in vinegar. Life, she be full of compromises :)

Aquattro 10-27-2015 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 968069)
Just lost a RW15 from soaking it in vinegar. Life, she be full of compromises :)

Alternatively, I could just be dumb. Carry on, pump's all good :)

AquaAddict 10-27-2015 03:48 AM

MaxiJet
 
I have been using Maxijet pumps with SureFlow adapters for almost 10years -still working.

Now that they have been discontinued, this thread has been very educational.

AquaAddict

Ram3500 10-27-2015 04:44 AM

I have had two wp40 they were great pumps for a yearish but they died at the 12-14 month mark .

SeaHorse_Fanatic 10-27-2015 04:47 AM

"Knocking on wood furiously" :wink::lol:

The Codfather 12-11-2015 01:14 PM

Jecod
 
http://s11.postimg.org/6a97wv4pv/jebao_gyre.jpg

Myka 12-11-2015 02:56 PM

Is that you pic or internet pic? Look at all those knockoffs!

WarDog 12-11-2015 03:04 PM

How is that even legal?

Myka 12-11-2015 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by WarDog (Post 973545)
How is that even legal?

China can do anything. :neutral:

WarDog 12-11-2015 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myka (Post 973547)
China can do anything. :neutral:

I'm all for saving some coin, but I question quality. I'd rather buy one vortech than a Jebao that needs to be replaced every year or so (which seems to be common). I don't ever see myself buying a DC pump either, except maybe a Red Dragon or Vectra.

The Guy 12-11-2015 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarDog (Post 973549)
I'm all for saving some coin, but I question quality. I'd rather buy one vortech than a Jebao that needs to be replaced every year or so (which seems to be common). I don't ever see myself buying a DC pump either, except maybe a Red Dragon or Vectra.

I now use 2 Vortech mp10 powerheads mainly because I like the motor on the outside of the aquarium out of the water, works great for maintenance as well.

Jordon 12-11-2015 06:13 PM

I use Ecotech MP10 on my nano, but could't stand it before the QD upgrade. It was to the point where I bought a Jebao RW-4 and was ready to replace it, but now use the RW-4 for mixing water!

Needless to say, both are great products, but I prefer the lower profile Ecotech MP10 for my nano. If I had a larger tank and wanted to save money, I would surely go with Jebao.

The Guy 12-11-2015 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JDH (Post 973574)
I use Ecotech MP10 on my nano, but could't stand it before the QD upgrade. It was to the point where I bought a Jebao RW-4 and was ready to replace it, but now use the RW-4 for mixing water!

Needless to say, both are great products, but I prefer the lower profile Ecotech MP10 for my nano. If I had a larger tank and wanted to save money, I would surely go with Jebao.

I would have liked to pickup a 2and QD, but got a great deal on the mp10-W series and it seems as quite as the QD, but then I only run it up to half capacity because that works well in my tank.

Jordon 12-11-2015 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Guy (Post 973577)
I would have liked to pickup a 2and QD, but got a great deal on the mp10-W series and it seems as quite as the QD, but then I only run it up to half capacity because that works well in my tank.

I have a feeling I have crap luck with the Vortech's. I have been through 3 (2 on my old build then sold, then my current one) and they were all fairly loud to my ears. Either that, or I have super-sensitive hearing?

I hear people lucking out with quiet ones out of the box, or they 'break-in' after a few weeks of use; just not my experience sadly. If anyone is unsure about the QD though, it is well worth the upgrade if you can't stand the noise of your Vortech.

The Codfather 12-11-2015 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myka (Post 973542)
Is that you pic or internet pic? Look at all those knockoffs!

Internet. Apparently out in full swing overseas.

Reef-Geek 12-11-2015 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JDH (Post 973583)
I have a feeling I have crap luck with the Vortech's. I have been through 3 (2 on my old build then sold, then my current one) and they were all fairly loud to my ears. Either that, or I have super-sensitive hearing?

I hear people lucking out with quiet ones out of the box, or they 'break-in' after a few weeks of use; just not my experience sadly. If anyone is unsure about the QD though, it is well worth the upgrade if you can't stand the noise of your Vortech.

Vortech has a wearable part that need to be replaced regularly, especially if you buy used the the previous owner didn't use the spacer or align it properly.

http://ecotechmarine.com/faq/replacement-parts

There is a maintenance kit you can find for mp40.

Myka 12-12-2015 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarDog (Post 973549)
I don't ever see myself buying a DC pump either, except maybe a Red Dragon or Vectra.

My Red Dragon Speedy 3 is going on a year! It's still in the box, but who's counting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Codfather (Post 973596)
Internet. Apparently out in full swing overseas.

Yeah, wow all sorts now I guess!

The Codfather 01-28-2016 01:42 AM

WiFi option
 
In case some of you where waiting, jeboa now has a wifi module out, these guys...what will they dream up next...

brisco 03-07-2016 05:51 PM

I have a gyre, and it has been good to me. I picked up the apex adapter module (icecap) when that came out a few months back and it really increased the versatility, now I have 8 flow patterns running at different times. The gen 2, is very quiet, but I only run at 60% tops otherwise the xf 150 model is way too much flow on my 100 gal display. I also picked up a small battery back up (ice cap again) that works with the gyre and during a power loss will run it at 30% for 36 hours (I think that's the stats)

Cleaning can be tricky, I have only done it once, but had to take it apart again several times until I got it right.

Brad, you need to add the Gyre to the poll instead of just having it under "other"!

bignose 03-09-2016 04:02 PM

I run 2 ecotech mp40wes' going on 2 years, they are ex pensive in my opinion. Love them they do everything I need them to do, they are a little noisy but I've learned to ignore them. I had koralias before they worked but were nothing special, but cheap. I can't add anything about the other pumps because I've never ran them.
If I was to buy more powerheads I would probably save up and buy QDmp40's.

Reef-Geek 03-09-2016 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bignose (Post 985214)
I run 2 ecotech mp40wes' going on 2 years, they are ex pensive in my opinion. Love them they do everything I need them to do, they are a little noisy but I've learned to ignore them. I had koralias before they worked but were nothing special, but cheap. I can't add anything about the other pumps because I've never ran them.
If I was to buy more powerheads I would probably save up and buy QDmp40's.

Buy the qd controller if vortech is the noisest part in your system, i did it and it does reduced up to 90% noise.

SpongeAl 11-21-2016 03:57 AM

I vote Tunze for main tank use. (Turbelle 6040 user here)

I use Koralia for utility uses like QT tanks etc. They are just OK, nothing special

I've had Ecotech, but once the novelty wears off you're left with a noisy, overpriced unreliable pump that you will be lucky to get 12-18 months of use before the shaft splits.

I can't vouch for the offshore pumps, it's a risk I'm not interested in taking. Considering the money I waste on things we don't really need, or don't want down the road in this hobby, it seems prudent to budget for a decent German pump.

My particular Tunze also has the option for battery backup without using proprietary equipment.
It is also silent at high output, whereas my Ecotech made way more noise at much lower flow rates.

mike31154 11-22-2016 05:17 AM

I purchased my 1st EcoTech MP40 new in 2008. Picked up a few more (used) in subsequent years, upgraded magnet on the original, replaced a few normal wear items. I have some hungry snails that periodically climb on the intake cage in search of food & their shells contact the propellers, so I've had to replace them as a result. Yes, perhaps the novelty has worn off & yes the initial investment was a bitter pill, but these pumps have been doing a great job for 8 years, 7 years, 6 years.... Have yet to experience any 'shaft split'. One of the advantages of the VorTech is that virtually every part on the wet side is easily replaced, available & reasonably priced. If the dry sides on mine were all to fail tomorrow, they would owe me nothing based on the number of years of service they've provided.

A photo of the hardware to show it's been in the system for a while... (I've since cleaned them up in a vinegar solution)
https://qxsevq.dm2302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none

A few of the dynamic components subject to wear that are replaceable on the wet side. Sure beats having to toss the entire power head in the trash for want of replacement parts.
https://hllrgq.blu.livefilestore.com...&cropmode=none

I've also made upgrades to drivers over the years, but cost spread out so not a big deal. My first MP40 is a gen 1 which I was able to easily upgrade to the latest configuration once the redesigned parts were available. The gen 1 was fitted with a poorly designed wet side magnet but EcoTech quickly came up with the redesign without folks having to spend a fortune for an entirely new power head.

The gen 1 wet side magnet after 6 months in the tank. I think I purchased mine about a month before they did the redesign, bad timing for me, but hey... it got fixed for about $10 at the time.
https://s1qkpa.bl3302.livefilestore....&cropmode=none

SpongeAl 11-22-2016 08:56 PM

I tried to dig up a picture for you, but could not find it.

Basically the MP10's have a steel shaft covered by a white ceramic type material. It is this central steel core that rusts, then splits the outer later causing noise and accelerated wear.

I first heard this new noise at about the 10 month point, I tried cleaning it a few times to no avail, eventually I took a real close look and found the issue a few cleans later when the noise persisted.

Anyhow I only ever used it at around 30% max power, so it was strictly a corrosion issue.

IMO kinda lame design for such a little pump that tips the scales at around $400.

It is nice to see the larger ones don't appear to have a steel shaft, thanks for sharing that picture.

Anyhow I'm happy with the little Turbelle now, it has enough control-ability that I no longer need a MP10 just to have a DC wavemaker in a small reef.

(No reef crest mode, but you can set dual speeds, set the timing between these speeds, feed button and does waves if that floats your boat.)

Reef.ductionist 11-23-2016 06:02 PM

I have a 14 gallon biocube mod and tried the ecotech but sold mine after about one year. While my experience with the vortech mp10eco was positive overall:
(ie.- I enjoyed creating more complex wave patterns fir my tank), I felt the hub protuding out of the side of my aquarium was very unsightly and detracted attention away from the tank itself.(I prefer a much more streamlined look).
Now Im anticipating the new hydor Aquami series wave pumps with wifi controller which are scheduled for release in Canada in early 2017.
I cannot jutsify spending 500.00 on a tunze wave system.

Reef.ductionist 11-23-2016 06:29 PM

The hydor Aq mai info is on their facebook page.


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