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SeaHorse_Fanatic 05-18-2014 06:48 AM
Brad,

Really sorry to hear of this latest set-back. I know that you'll come up with the right decision for yourself and your family. Hopefully you'll be able to defeat this pest once again.

Anthony

Aquattro 05-18-2014 07:01 AM
Anthony, I've got a plan in the works, just need to figure out some details. Not a major setback, I've been toying with the idea of a change for a long time now. This simply forces my hand. :)

Proteus 05-18-2014 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by One_Divided (Post 897471)
I recently tried a heavy dose of interceptor on all my monitpora sp. I had brown/black copepods and a species of montipora flatworms (these didn't seem to eat montipora, just live on it).. Anyways.. This was a 48 hr quarantined treatment (in order to starve any remaining fauna in the main tank). Interceptor did NOT kill the flatworms after the entire 48 hrs. Bugs died within a couple hours. So my point is: interceptor doesn't kill those flatworms, so I doubt it will kill AEFW's. I gave all pieces a heavy dose of RPS before adding back to the tank and haven't seen anything come back, but I think the AEFW's eggs are pretty resilient compared to these sissies.
The brown/black pods you mention are black bug the same as red bug but inhibit monties

Aquattro 05-18-2014 04:17 PM
In all honesty, if Interceptor worked, we wouldn't have hundreds of very experienced SPS keepers, here and at RC, losing thousands of dollars of SPS. People spend months dipping in levamisole and bayer trying desperately to clean their tanks. If we could just drop in a pill from the vet, it would be very well documented and publicized.

Slyguy00 05-18-2014 04:25 PM
Then where did mine go?? Lol still need id i. What i had lol

Aquattro 05-18-2014 04:27 PM
Dunno, maybe they weren't AEFW? I've just read a lot of threads at RC and other sites affirming that it does NOT work. People have confirmed having both red bugs and flatworms, treating with interceptor and losing red bugs, keeping flatworms.

Slyguy00 05-18-2014 04:34 PM
You must be right brad. Because iv found pretty much all the same info. So i guess maybe i just got lucky and had a bug that interceptor does work on.

Aquattro 05-18-2014 04:46 PM
I'd really prefer you were right -lol. Would make things much simpler :)

Slyguy00 05-18-2014 05:04 PM
Lol I cant always be right:mrgreen:

Slyguy00 05-18-2014 05:07 PM
So then what is your plan of attack brad? Just dip each coral individually?

Aquattro 05-18-2014 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Slyguy00 (Post 897505)
So then what is your plan of attack brad? Just dip each coral individually?
Rough plan is new tank, smaller, take frags of what I want to keep and start over. Once the new tank is setup, all frags treated, no new corals go in. Add water, grow them out :)
Moving old tank and replacing with new is the puzzle part of this :) I'll probably set up the new one beside the old, once the old is gone, drain the new and slide it into place. Fill.

Slyguy00 05-18-2014 05:14 PM
Well at least you already had a plan to do this then. Sounds like alot of work. Good luck and keep us updated!

Aquattro 05-18-2014 05:16 PM
Ya, it's something I started thinking about 6 months ago. Large cubish type tank, probably be able to keep most of my fish and most of the corals I like. Less maintenance, less cost, more halide :)

Snappy 05-18-2014 08:07 PM
Sorry to hear about this Brad. Here is something that worked extremely well for me.
In my experience an army of peppermint shrimps (about 30 or so in a tank your size) should have the AEFW cleaned up for you within 2-3 weeks. That includes eggs.

Aquattro 05-18-2014 09:04 PM
Greg, that's an interesting approach. I could see it working somewhat, except on larger colonies that shrimp wouldn't be able to get into.

Snappy 05-18-2014 09:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 897528)
Greg, that's an interesting approach. I could see it working somewhat, except on larger colonies that shrimp wouldn't be able to get into.
When I did it the shrimp varied in size and you wouldn't believe the wierd places their little pincers can access.

reeferfulton 05-19-2014 12:37 AM
ok , so peppermint shrimp eh .. lets see

30 peppermint shrimp at $9 each = $270.

Not having to shut down tank and set up a new one .. Priceless( maybe )

I have never heard of this approach before , but man would that ever be sweet if it worked .


Is there any fish that kill peppermint shrimp.. being that they are small ?

Aquattro 05-19-2014 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by reeferfulton (Post 897543)
Is there any fish that kill peppermint shrimp.. being that they are small ?
Triggers would be bad. Tuskfish not so friendly. Larger wrasses - bad. Nothing I have would eat them, but not sure I want 30 peppermints. What are they going to eat if/when they run out of flatties?

If I find another colony affected, I might grab a couple just to experiment in isolation.

Oh, and buying 30 gives you a 30% discount at J&L :)

Doug 05-19-2014 02:21 AM
That sucks Brad but I do like the cube/halide remedy.

Aquattro 05-19-2014 02:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doug (Post 897557)
That sucks Brad but I do like the cube/halide remedy.
I'm kinda excited about it :)

kole 05-19-2014 01:21 PM
You seem to be taking this set back quite well. Good luck to you.

I've been trying to find some Bayer. Does anyone know if it can be bought in Canada?

Aquattro 05-19-2014 01:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kole (Post 897590)
You seem to be taking this set back quite well. Good luck to you.
Meh, it's just an aquarium. I've got years of enjoyment from it, it owes me nothing. Other than the 2 colonies, everything is doing well at this point, so now I get to tackle a new project and revitalize my enjoyment! I'll also be able to paint my living room now :)

Proteus 05-19-2014 01:52 PM
New build thread I hope

Aquattro 05-19-2014 01:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Proteus (Post 897593)
New build thread I hope
Probably not. I don't really have time to document stuff, barely have time to run a tank. :) I would post a pic or two, but nothing like some of the build threads we have here!

kole 05-19-2014 01:59 PM
"Just an aquarium" lol.
What are you going to be using as a dip before you move them to your new setup? Bayer?

Aquattro 05-19-2014 02:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kole (Post 897595)
What are you going to be using as a dip before you move them to your new setup? Bayer?
I'll use RPS dip then physical inspection with a microscope.

Madreefer 05-19-2014 02:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kole (Post 897590)
You seem to be taking this set back quite well. Good luck to you.

I've been trying to find some Bayer. Does anyone know if it can be bought in Canada?
As in Aspirin? Does this work on flatworms?

Aquattro 05-19-2014 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Madreefer (Post 897597)
As in Aspirin?
Same company, different product :) I believe it's an insecticide.

daplatapus 05-19-2014 03:01 PM
Where are you getting the RPS from Brad? I can't seem to find any...

Aquattro 05-19-2014 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by daplatapus (Post 897604)
Where are you getting the RPS from Brad? I can't seem to find any...
Not sure, Wayne brought some in so everyone in town has some :)

kien 05-19-2014 03:34 PM
A great solution to AEFW is to remove their source of food. All of it. #ProTip.

Aquattro 05-19-2014 03:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kien (Post 897608)
A great solution to AEFW is to remove their source of food. All of it. #ProTip.
That was actually one of my considerations. I thought about an acro-less SPS tank. Montis, birdnest, pocci, stylo only tank.

kien 05-19-2014 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aquattro (Post 897613)
That was actually one of my considerations. I thought about an acro-less SPS tank. Montis, birdnest, pocci, stylo only tank.
Exactly. There is life after Acros ! Shame to shut down an ENTIRE tank just for AEFW when you can have a very nice and healthy acro-less tank :-)

Aquattro 05-19-2014 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kien (Post 897614)
Exactly. There is life after Acros ! Shame to shut down an ENTIRE tank just for AEFW when you can have a very nice and healthy acro-less tank :-)
True, but if I'm going to start from frags again, might as well keep the acros and reduce the amount of work/cost/room this tank takes up.

Reefer Rob 05-19-2014 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kole (Post 897590)
I've been trying to find some Bayer. Does anyone know if it can be bought in Canada?
As far as I know Bayer Advanced Complete Insect Killer isn't available in Canada. RPS is likely B-Cyfluthrin based as well, judging by the instructions. I'd be very surprised if it killed the eggs, seems too good to be true. Anyone have experience with this?

Aquattro 05-19-2014 05:01 PM
The only eggs I found were already hatched. I doubt it kills eggs though. IMO, the instructed dose isn't enough either, nor is the time long enough. At double strength, worms were still crawling around after 20 minutes. It took 30 for all movement to stop.

Reefer Rob 05-19-2014 05:26 PM
I found the eggs were invisible untill the coral air dried for a couple of minutes. IMO removing the eggs is the most important, and difficult part of the process.

Aquattro 05-19-2014 05:30 PM
Really? I could see the egg sacs right away, soon as I turned the colony over. Under the scope, I could see they had all hatched. Maybe it's harder to see unhatched?

Reefer Rob 05-19-2014 05:40 PM
When I was scraping the eggs off, I'd go back to a place I'd previosly looked to find eggs had appeared. They are also laid in the most inaccessible of places at times. Your plan to start over with small pieces of the originals will definitely make the job easier.

Aquattro 05-19-2014 05:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefer Rob (Post 897634)
Your plan to start over with small pieces of the originals will definitely make the job easier.
Absolutely. There will be no hidden eggs anywhere. Fresh cut frags, dipped and inspected, moved to new tank. Only problem is running 2 tanks in one spot for long enough to get it all done.


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