Sorry for my absence. We have been swamped with the new warehouse.
And yes pic will follow soon :)

You can dose the Nacl free salts.
We do have them in stock. They are the old containers as nobody really uses the old system anymore, but the pics of that tank that have been posted all over are the with the Nacl free salts from Fauna.

Personally i do not use them and have been running Balling Light for many many many years now.


Now running the Trace elements sets with zeo.
The trace set that come with the balling light package are the trace elements that are absorbed in proportion to the ca, alk and Mg.
So yes they should work with your zeo system regardless of what you are dosing.

What trace elements are you currently dosing?
The trace set that comes with the balling system may have a slight overlap, or it may not. Depends on what you are dosing.

Fauna uses a higher purity in their ca, all, and Mg.
Plus they add biopolymers to improve coral coloration.
Thats the main difference.

When Coral Coloration Matters; Fauna Marin Balling Light
 

Thnx PFoster, I'll post when I pick them up for some dosing help.


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Hey PFoster,

Just picked up the FM balling light Cal and ALK, I'm about to switch over from the last of the TM balling salts, I've been using around 86ml a day of both solutions dosed from a 2.5L vertex container, is there a cross over from TM to FM balling light ? Like if I'm using 86ml a day or TM what would that be in FM?

Or is FM more concentrated and thus a dose and test dose and test is what I need to do?

Thnx again.


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Hey, this is Patrick posting from Kwoods account here quickly.

I somehow logged out of canreef and cant recall my password.
mods/admins I have tried to reset my password several times now and its not working so please give me a hand here!!

Not ignoring you Tyson, just trying to post under my name!!

Hopefully we can get this fixed by tomorrow or I will hijack Kevin comp again tomorrow and write a proper response for you.
Feel free to call me too.
But def will make a post to give you a hand here.

Quick and easy answer is yes you will need to dose and test dose and test as the purities are not the same between the systems.

Perhaps we should do a test here and mix up a batch of the TM salts so that we can test it on a system and offer a "transition" formula for those coming over to the "colourful" side ;)

Thnx guys,

I've been doing the old dose test dose test, and so far I've found that the Cal solution is way more concentrated, from just seeing the solution as it hits the water and I'm using only 40ml/day ware as with TM I was using 89ml/day.

Probly make sense since for the 2.5L dosing containers I use requires a whole 1kg bottle of FM for Cal only.

The ALK asks for 1/4 of the 1kg bottle to make a 2.5L solutions.


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http://reefwholesale.com/gallery/mai...serialNumber=2

Fact: Our coral come in and colour up to gang buster amazing.

Fact: We use Fauna Marin Balling Light + Balling trace elements

Are there other ways to dose your system. Yes.
But this is the system that we personally use and believe in.

You want your corals to look great?
Post in the forum! We are more than happy to give you a hand.


Use other system and have amazing coloration, post up the pics!!


Here at RW, we are all die hard coral fanatics. We understand that additive system are a tool in your tool box and the most important thing for maintaining coral coloration is how you use your chosen system.

My chosen method is to dose sweat and tears into my tank! It's unproven but works for me.

Winner winner chicken dinner... That's the answer/ statement to the dosing debate.

:lol:

weird, its not letting me quote people in my thread....

Kien: My chosen method is to dose sweat and tears into my tank! It's unproven but works for me.


Please be advised that this is not the correct method for dosing your tank.

Tears contain NaCl so dosing them to your tank will upset the ionic imbalance and then mysterious bad things will occur.
We cant really tell you what these "bad things" are but i can assure you that they will be catastrophically bad and may result in things like the equivalent of genital warts for you acropora :)


We do believe in dosing blood to the tank though. We do it all the time while unboxing order with straight razor blades.
While it does not contain the correct ration of amino acids we do find that it does increase acropora coloration by 2 joules per cubic meter.

Better lock my thread right away and change all my previous posts before anyone can post and debate my flawless science here.

wuahahahahahaha


Please do not regard any of the above as anything but complete nonsense :P

Sure just as I start to dose tears it's now a bad thing lol

I hate it when my acropora get the coral equivalent to genital warts.:lol:

Wait a minute do corals even have genitals? They do spawn I guess.

Please be advised that this continual banter is complete and total nonsense where in another sponsor is trying to use fear and pseudo science to claim a product they sell is the only option for a healthy aquarium and anything else will somehow cause damaged to your tank.

Anyone that understand the basics of maintaining chemistry in the aquarium realizes that this is complete and total hogwash.

We at Reef Wholesale do not believe in the
"Buy my product now or you can not possibly be successful with maintaining an aquarium!!"


As we stated above several times, there are many ways to maintain your water chemistry.
The absolute most important thing that you should do as a hobbiest IMO if you want a happy and healthy tank is provide stable parameters.
Thats it!
We have years and years of experience maintaining happy, healthy well colored and fast growing corals using a whole variety of different methods.
Everything from
CARX
Kalk
CARX + Kalk
2 Part (with cheap bulk chemicals and very high end lab grade)
ESV
Full balling (yeah thats right!)
Balling light

Our preferred method for maintaining the parameters that we shoot for is the Balling Light system from Fauna Marin. We have stated why we prefer this method in the posts above so please feel free to read above. Proof is in the pudding and we have posted some pretty baller pictures with some very clearly happy and healthy corals that have been maintained under the Balling light system from Fauna for several years now.

Because we have used ALL of these system I personally can give advise to anyone on the advantages/disadvantages of each system and how to run each system successfully. Additionally we can easily acknowledge that ANY of these system can be used to maintain happy and healthy corals.

There is no winner here.
But there are definitely looser spouting used car sales man tactics and fear propaganda to try to scare people into buying their product.

I really did not want to get into this but this tactic is just not cool and does not better the hobby in any way.

The entire idea of a war is ridiculous.
There is no war!
If you feel that there is a war, take your info up against Randy Homes Farley again on RC under the post in the chemistry forum please. It did not go so well last time though....


The only thing that matters is the success of hobbyists is keeping nice and healthy corals.

If you want to use the full balling system please do. It works.
We actually have the full balling system in stock right now!
With NaCl free salts and trace elements.
The NaCl free salts are in the old square containers as nobody has used this system in a crazy long time but we have them.

If you want to use Balling Light, we have them in stock too with the Fauna Marin dosing pumps.

And if you want to use 2 part, try contacting BRS. They sell a TON of it!!
2 part works.
Period.
Thats why its the number one system used in the world!
Oh and did we mention that you can use the trace elements from Fauna with the 2 part method from BRS?
Yes this would improve your 2 part system to include the missing trace elements.
Basically then you are using balling light, the only difference from this to the Fauna system would be that Fauna uses bio polymers in their additives to increase coral coloration and growth.

Here is a video from BRS on how to use the Fauna Marin Balling trace elements with bulk chemicals for 2 part.

http://reefwholesale.com/gallery/mai...serialNumber=1

And the link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8YryqSScKI


And here is yet again, more proof of the super happy and healthy corals that you can maintain, grow and color up using the Fauna Marin Balling light system.
No catastrophic ionic imbalance.
Just awesome corals.

http://reefwholesale.com/gallery/mai...serialNumber=4

To answer the question posed:

Trick question.

According to Randy Homes Farley there is no imbalance in using 2 part WITH the addition of the third part.

http://reefwholesale.com/gallery/mai...serialNumber=1

Full details about 2 part and the science behind it are available here.
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-02/rhf/

If you wish to debate RHF and 2 part I highly suggest that you take up the debate on Reef central in the chemistry forum.

Wow.....did they take those shots? If so they are getting better with the camera.

yea these are their photos :D