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I am only a little way from Alan, and will offer my help too. I am off at noon tomorrow and Friday, but gone by Friday evening. If housing of critters is needed, I can house fishes in my refugium, and nano. Both are to small for yellow Tangs though, as he would soon go nuts.
Actually if the need arises I could turn my 33 back into salt for awhile, and put the critters in there. Then Alan could take care of them while I am on three weeks vacation. :D if someone could babysit my eight FW fish.
Bob

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I can't believe people would use tap water, but to each his own. On the ocassions I have had to add even topoff tap water, I get instant algae.

Not to mention, I can't even drink our tap water lately, it tastes so bad.

Anyway, Alan, Mitch dropped off his UV here for you if you decide you want it.

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That of course could start a flame of its own Deb, so we had better not get into that. But with the City's filtration problem even our highly vaunted water could be marginal at this time.
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Alan, you can have however much RO/DI water you would like from my unit that it takes to help solve this problem.

Mitch [img]smile.gif[/img]

(I love to see all the passion from the reefkeepers here!)

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hmm I notice that Calgary has two different treatment plants.. Alan are you on the same plant as Bob and the others?

from the water quality report I see that one plant is higher in calcium as the other.

Bearspaw Treatment Plant Water Hardness (CaCO3) for 2000
mg/L Average 154.5


Glenmore Treatment Plant Water Hardness (CaCO3) for 2000
mg/L Average 212.5

here is the water quality results for Calgary.. the floride is a concern, I wasn't aware alberta was still adding it to the water.. oh well I still don't have cavities :D

http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca/cww/wat...ges/table.html

sence the water report only shows a very few tests that have been done I would suspect that other non tested contamanants "ie. Phosphates, sulfates, sulfites, ect.." could be present. especialy when everything I read about back home is saying how this year is one of the worst years for water ever.

Steve

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ditto, Alan. I change 40g every two weeks in the 155g so I have lots of that (I've probably run more onto the laundry room floor than you need anyway.... :D ) Also you are welcome to use the tubs, powerheads, python, etc.

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Alan, when I suggested removing the rock way back on page one, I meant move to large rubbermaid containers with water and heaters and stuff. This would keep everything alive in/on your rock. That would allow you to confirm or eliminate the rock as the source of the problem.

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Alan here's the link to the RC post I was talking about. Most of the responses say UV cleared up the problem very fast.

http://www.reefcentral.com/vbulletin...threadid=99878

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Calgary voted that in only about 10 years ago. Wait, maybe a little more now. It was 1989, or 1990. It was a very small margin, but, apparently, this is what people want.

Not a topic to really make me very happy, though. I can add fluoride to my water myself if I choose. I can't remove it that easily. Oh no wait, I can, I have an RO unit now ... :D Never mind..

BUT ... why does this thread have to degenerate into a tap vs RO debate? It's neither here nor there. I would prefer to see the thread closed, than to sift through another page of heated tempers over something trivial and irrelevant to the original intent of me moving this thread into the main forum. Yes, Alan should switch to RO for now. I think he gets the point... I sure do.

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No, RO/DI :D

But I am wondering why you think the tap water discussion is trivial and irrelevant to the original post ?

Tony ?

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[quote]Originally posted by delphinus:

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BUT ... why does this thread have to degenerate into a tap vs RO debate? It's neither here nor there. I would prefer to see the thread closed, than to sift through another page of heated tempers over something trivial and irrelevant to the original intent of me moving this thread into the main forum. Yes, Alan should switch to RO for now. I think he gets the point... I sure do.

<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't thinkit has to, the reason I posted this info is that some of the the calgarians (not all) are saying there is no way it can be a water problem.. I am just showing that yes it can.. and IMHO most likely is.. I don't want a argument about water quality and I am not trying to start one.. just show my point that I posted at the begining that I feel it is phosphates, sulphates or some other algae fueling chem in the water supply. I lived in Alta for 23 years befor moving out here and had fish tanks for 15 of them.. I know how much the water quality changes with the seasons there.. don't get me wrong either.. if I could be beck there I would be tomorrow.. (so I am not knocking Alta in anyway) but I am comittied outhere for 7 more years...

Steve

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It is hot out, but I'm not angry ???? Just confused. :confused:

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Wow, this thread DOES grow fast!

Brad, I see your point. Many temporary tubs for the rock would do it.

Mitch and Deb, thanks and yes I'll be happy try the UV filter. I'll wait a bit more before coming over for water. We have an RO unit under the kitchen sink here, 3-stage I think.

Steve, good water info, I think we're on the Bearspaw plant as I can almost hit it with an arrow from my house. My calcium was at 440 when Jon tested awhile back. Yes, the water has been awful this spring, hence the local water restrictions.

Jon, great link man! I'll give it a try.

Tony, your patience is admirable. Sorry I ever gave you grief about moving this thread. [img]smile.gif[/img] Your input is highly valued.

Who asked about booming pod populations? Brad? - because I got that! There are more and bigger shrimp/bugs/pods, and critters I have not seen before.

Thanks very much everybody, I thought I saw the outline of some LR today! ;)

Alan

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I know that excitment but my problem was white water not green ;)

Steve

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Hopefully this will be the last water comment, but thought I should mention it. While living in Kelowna during the year of the poison water, it was discovered that a broken pipe had allowed agricultural runoff into the water system So even if Calgary (or anywhere) water is perfect, that could change by the time it is delivered to your pipes. Not likely, but possible.

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Hello,

1) This thread sure does grow fast.
2) The no visual change indicated by Tony doesn't mean there's no die off IMO. It looks like to me a system that has reached equilibrium. For eg, it's at a point where the green stuff die off, releases its nutrients, and the rest feeds on those nutrients and re-grows.
3) My personal take in this problem will be to do a few 100% water changes with RO/DI water, get the rocks out and basically scrub them down (afterall you said they were sitting in the garage and therefore not live rock), implement a UV filter, top off with only RO/DI water, turn off all lights, and wrap the whole tank with dark material. I'll also stop using the chemicals bought from the retail store for removing chlorine, whatever.

Titus

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IS it Phytoplankton?

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I am with doug here I have never seen this before
and Its hard to give any advice other than try to find where the nutriment came,dont feed,keep you hand off,do water change,diatom filter if you have, if you dont have put a magnum diatom filter
in the input bulkhead of you sump and clean it everyday,polyfilter,IMO UV is good only in conjonction whith a diatom filter because you have to get the algea out after you kill it other than that you will have a amonia peak and a big unbalance. wich you good luck

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As to the water discussion, I think it is very informative. Even if it becomes more of an argument, it is still valid. Remember everyone has an opinion, which in some people's eyes is dead wrong. [img]tongue.gif[/img] I sit here and look at my chrystal clear tank in which everything does extremely well (Okay Yellow Polyps do not survive, the last one has disappeared), but all else thrives. If I can only keep soft corals, I am more than happy, as there are more of them than my system has room for anyway.

As to what the stuff is may be academic. We should remember that our world is full of millions of types of algae, each one looking for the opportunity to pop up somewhere. One species has probably found a temporary haven in Alan's tank. There is a very good chance it will disappear as spontaneously as it popped up. It may also disappear if filtered out, or killed, and may never show up again.

My two cents for what it is worth anyway. I say Alan hang in there you will probably, if not definitely, be fine in the end. :D

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Hi Allen, sorry to see your tank is so...umm...green. I too am newish to the hobby and have battled algae, not quite like yours though. In the end I did 100% h2o change. I had all my stuff in a BIG tupperware tote for 6 wks while I redid the tank. Everything survived but a shrimp which died the day before moving to the 90g tank again. I was not even aware of the BB when I started this endeaver. When I found out about it Bruce and Brad over on the island where a great source of info. So if you are going that route, it can be done and isn't that bad except that the tub took up a lot of room. By the way I went to ro water and I feel better using it but I can't say that it has made a huge difference.. We are on well water and and have never had it tested so I don't know how it compares to city except that ours is delious!!!!
GOOD LUCK WITH IT AND STAY POSITIVE. Rachel

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Holy Smokes alan that is crazy
hehe lets hope my tank won't turn out to be like this

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Don't be crazy Tony - check out this thread:
Green Tank Pics - Update

If you're smart, you'll avoid the blunders I made at that time.

Cheers,

AJ :D