My last "job" was a basement reno :)

Laurie, where is the UL logo ? I don't see it in that pic. I just flipped over my laptop power supply and it clearly has a "c (UL) us" logo on it. Is there another label on the other side of that power supply?

That's all the certification I require... I will advise the neighbors.

The one I got with my WP25's has the UL certificate on it. The one he pictured is the optional variable power supply that was purchased optionally.

This is my WP40 adapter. How can I tell if it is fake or illegal?
http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/...pse7191e40.jpg

It was made in China so it is obviously a fake. :wink:

It looks legit. You would have to contact the certification company to tell if it was fake. Either way, you should be covered by your insurance company if damages resulted from it failing as it does have the seal and they can't tell consumers that they need to check every appliance manually even if it has the mark.

Either way, contact your insurance company as I hear that many would never deny a claim based off not having the certification.

Everything is made in China! :)

is it even the consumer's responsibility to confirm whether a certification is fake or not? i don't own anything that plugs in that i've gone and confirmed it's certification for.

Exactly.

We're loosing traction here, someone chime in with some nonsensical post

It is the consumers responsibility to ensure that what you are purchasing is approved, but there is no way to know if it is legit, that should be the authority's responsibility.

+1

I am definitely not cancelling my order for my pump that's for sure. I just wish Nick would get his stock in sooner. :) Been waiting over a month.

Just make sure to plug it into a gfci. If it shorts, it'll kick out the breaker in the plug, right?

Does anyone else have a WP-40 sound like a phone off the hook? Spooling up and down?

In all seriousness, this is why I haven't purchased the $1.00 led drivers from ebay there has to be some correlation between cost and quality.

I will check my power supply to see what sticker is on the back of it tonight.
There are millions of items sold at dollar stores around the country that I'm sure are not certified or legit.

I have the 25 that does the same thing. I can only hear it under full power and if nothing else ( t.v ) is on in the room.

Nope. Have to put my ear really close to even hear it. I use the random mode. Very, very quiet compared to some of the other pumps out there.

I think when it was new, I did hear it a bit when ramping up and down, but even then wasn't loud.

I don't think people are getting that yes, all these power supplies have been stamped with CE, ULC...and whatever else. The point being is that they are not actually certified, regardless of what the power supply says.

If someone was to happen to someone who purchased one from a retailer, it would be the consumers choice obviously to pursue a lawsuit. Which could entail jail time and lots of fines.

And a note to everyone that sells them: now you know they aren't certified in Canada, your walking on hot water IMO.

Jebao Pumps - Illegal?
 

Yea it could if your GFCI is working properly.

I work with electrical for a living, and can tell you GFCI don't always work the way they should. If you were to look up the # of recalls for GFCI you would be amazed.

unless the GFCI is made in China..

And how often does this happen? What exactly would you be sueing for? Doesn't there have to be some damages suffered or loss of some kind?

I used to work in big box retail, and was best friends with the head of the legal dept. They used to get lots of consumer lawsuits (mostly slips and falls), but never heard of a lawsuit over a label. And we used to buy a lot of stuff from China (almost all of the hard goods).

This thread is starting to lose focus...

Time for a GIF

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or has fake markings. It may not even have the right certs to run that little led that lights up the reset button.

It only needs to happen once. The lawsuit wouldn't be over a label... It would be over whatever damage/loss was caused.

The one in the picture I posted was what came with the wp25 BNIB.
and no I see no UL on it at all, has anyone else out there got the same AC/DC converter with their wp 25? Anyone know what the FC with the small c inside the big C means, is that some kind of rating code?
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/...ps84f559e0.jpg

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nope-different label on mine

That's FCC Federal Communications Commission. To regulate and make sure the device does not emit any harmful or disruptive RF that could interfere with sensitive communications etc

Which model is yours Bill a wp 25, 40 or 60?
Thanks Dan, I'll have to get a hold of Nick and see if he got any answers yet.

Laurie,

the batch of pump that went to Vancouver order we're sent with the wrong plug & Power converters from manufacturer (euro plugs) all itmes in that order went with the Add on variable power supply. if you have concerns with the rating on the aftermarket supplies please email with your order number and I can send out the standard 1 when our Jebao order arrives.

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i have the 25 and 40-got direct from fish street

I'm concerned about other things out there like cad lights pumps to name one in a list. They don't have any labels that relate to legal here. Also is speed wave ok in the market. They have ul but not cul I think. It's worrying how much stuff is out there not legal now.

This is what I got with my 25. I'm not sure because I'm really not paying attention or care if the markings are good. bad or nothing at all. But if it gives anyone a warm an fuzzy to buy one giddy-up

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/d...psab0addf6.jpg

How's bouts koralia are they safe? I don't have one but am thinking I might.

I think the safest method may include a coffee stir stick

Koralia I have says on it "house hold/indoor use only"

I guess we shouldn't be using it underwater as that doesn't actually fall under "indoor" category

I found nothing either.

ok I did a bunch of reading and in some cases if there is a problem caused by a non-CSA appliance then your insurance could be void, but doesn't seem to be much of that happening. one other interesting thing I did find was

"Provincial laws in Canada stipulate that electrical appliances connected to a public power source (commercial power source) must conform to CSA Standards."

so if they wanted to the goverment could come after you under this clause. and I did read in a bunch of places (ontario being one) that it is ileagal for a business to import and sell non csa equipment. probably a ton of exemptions for that one though, mind you I remember a while ago in victoria having to buy heaters cash only and they wern't on display as they were not "CSA" aproved. so aparently one vendor new they were not suposed to be selling them and didn't want to be caught, and for the record they were awsome heaters :mrgreen:

Steve

I figure if a fire starts, just point the pump in that direction, the flow will extinguish it for sure!! :)

I'd be less than impressed that if I bought something from a local retailer in that voided my insurance.

Interesting read, this thread. Seems we get a nice & fuzzy when we see the required label & code on something from a reputable company, but sound the alarm bells if we're not quite sure the source is or is not reputable. I have no idea what actually goes on at "UL", but it's probably safe to assume that they don't scrutinize every single product of a given manufacturer down to the last detail. They probably don't even disassemble the 'to be certified' item to any great degree. Nor do they go to the manufacturer's assembly plant to see what goes on there. If a manufacturer seeking certification for a product has done their homework & provides all the spec sheets & possibly engineering data for the product they want certified, the boys & girls at UL probably don't even look at it before giving it the green light. I'm just guessing with those assumptions & could be totally off the mark. But if they actually do all the tests required for a 'safe' certification on a sample product, what's to stop a manufacturer from cutting corners after they have the coveted label? The manufacturer is also at the mercy of suppliers of other components that are part of the assembled end product. Could get a bad batch of wire for the power supply they're putting together with the UL label on it. You could end up with a Monday morning or Friday afternoon power supply!

I guess what I'm attempting to get across here is that a UL or CSA sticker on an electrical component is no absolute guarantee that it might not blow up in your face anyway. Chances are probably better than with one of 'dubious' heritage, but given the dumb things folks do with electrical stuff, certified or not, (like fully submerging a 110 volt heater, control head and all, under water) some will burn their houses down regardless of a sticker. And the whole low voltage thing can be misleading as h. If you've ever taken a long metal object & shorted it across a 12 volt 120 ampere/hour battery you will know what arc welding is all about. Might not get a shock, but can start a fire just as easily as a higher voltage component.

So yeah, by all means have a close look at all the electrics you have plugged in, not only on your tank, but around the house. It's usually pretty easy to determine if it's a good quality product & safe to use. More importantly, use the item as intended, especially around water.

For me, the fewer things with electrical cords actually in the water the better. This is why I prefer EcoTech power heads over Koralias or Jebaos, even Tunzes. Not because of a sticker on the power supply.

Yes, that would suck. But luckily the Jebao stuff has real certs so we are all good here :)