You still need CITES for ORA corals and clams

Wow that is a gorgeous fish! Do they naturally swim upside down like that or is that something ORA bread into them?

Way to much work for a couple of corals. FYI some have "snuck" into canada already which are the more desired sps pieces

That is the behaviour of Assessors. Typically they are found swimming upside down under caves. Super cool fish. I remember seeing for thethe first time and being like "errrr.... Your fish is broken".

that's cool!

I said the exact thing to lfs employee when they had a whole tank of yellows .

Here is the CITES appendices for the species that are required to have a permit.

http://www.cites.org/eng/app/2013/E-...2013-06-12.pdf

Couple things. The permits etc will cost you about $500.
And two, ora doesn't give out its collection locations making it impossible to bring back their corals legitimately.

I would be ever so grateful if you could post a link to the fee schedules.

You'll have to talk to a broker, or get chummy with your lfs and ask them if you can use their people.

The permits (and shipping) are why everything is so much more expensive here. A flame angel is what 80$ in store. They will have paid 15 bucks for that fish from the wholesale. But even at 80$ the store is hardly making anything at all. I know a couple places only bring in the fish and corals to get service clients because that's the only part that makes money.

I tried to bring up a big order. But ora won't give up enough information to get the permits. And just because a piece has been aquacultured for 15 years doesn't matter, they still need the location of original collection. And because of the needed paper trail you can't buy from hobbyists. Not legitimately anyways.