if i can redo my tank i would of chozen the tunze, the vortechs are nice with the features but they are so bloody loud lol. my tank is in the living room where the tv is and i have to shut them of or turn them down if i'm watching a movie. but since my wave box is installed for the mp40 i'm kinda stuck with them

yes very strong ones too. i actually had 2 of them for a bit mounted on my 400 with 19mm (~3/4") glass!