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whatcaneyedo 07-01-2010 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayne (Post 531581)
Anyone like the Scott W. Michaels book?

I have the 500+ Marine Fishes book by him. Its pretty brief but if all you're looking for is some quick information on a common species its good one to own. If you want more information he has a series of several longer books but I've never bothered with them so I cant comment.

Wayne 07-01-2010 07:48 PM

Those were the ones I was considering for when I go to set up my next tank (in a year or so). Going to need to plan it out much better then I have with this one ;) I am really thinking 120G is the magic number. I just like the look of 4' tanks

I think I will have a look at some of these other books mentioned aswell though :)

mark 07-01-2010 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lastlight (Post 531571)
sweetlips max out at about 1-2". FACT.

1-2", damn, the kid was right. Guess the fish would have been okay for the 20g.

Wayne 07-01-2010 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mark (Post 531599)
1-2", damn, the kid was right. Guess the fish would have been okay for the 20g.

LOL that would be funny to see someone buy that and then figure out they get to 2'5"

DiverDude 07-02-2010 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nlreefguy (Post 531560)
In general I agree, but for something like "is this a good protein skimmer?", one can only rely on the experiences of others since there are no formal reviews or research on such things, in general.

Actually, while this seems to be a good question to ask, you have to realize that unless you are VERY specific as to your requirements and trust that the person(s) replying have carefully considered all your requirements (and have the expertise in the first place), then the quality of the information you get can be quite poor.

To use the skimmer example, you would need to describe your system in detail -system volume, reef/FOWLER, SPS or LPS dominated, fish type and quantity (today and where you expect to go with it in the future) etc. etc.

The person replying should have used a particular skimmer on a similar system and should point out any differences that may be a factor.

This rarely happens though so what you get is what was a good skimmer for THEM but may be less than ideal for you -because you have different needs. This is, in part, why books usually steer clear of that kind of information and stick with conceptual information, like how a skimmer works and the different types.

Take anything you read here (or on any forum) with a grain of (sea) salt. No one will intentionally steer you wrong but the information you get may not be best for you an your setup. Of course, you should never blindly follow what anyone suggests either -look for a consensus from a number of people before you act.

Wayne 07-02-2010 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DiverDude (Post 531748)
Actually, while this seems to be a good question to ask, you have to realize that unless you are VERY specific as to your requirements and trust that the person(s) replying have carefully considered all your requirements (and have the expertise in the first place), then the quality of the information you get can be quite poor.

To use the skimmer example, you would need to describe your system in detail -system volume, reef/FOWLER, SPS or LPS dominated, fish type and quantity (today and where you expect to go with it in the future) etc. etc.

The person replying should have used a particular skimmer on a similar system and should point out any differences that may be a factor.

This rarely happens though so what you get is what was a good skimmer for THEM but may be less than ideal for you -because you have different needs. This is, in part, why books usually steer clear of that kind of information and stick with conceptual information, like how a skimmer works and the different types.

Take anything you read here (or on any forum) with a grain of (sea) salt. No one will intentionally steer you wrong but the information you get may not be best for you an your setup. Of course, you should never blindly follow what anyone suggests either -look for a consensus from a number of people before you act.

AMEN!!!

Everyones tank is so different! When I bought my Red Sea Prism Skimmer it saies right on the box the gallon rating for what you have in your tank. Minimal fish up to 100gallons to a max bio load with fish and corals to like 20gallons (just off the top of my head). Just goes to show that the skimmer has to be purposed specifically to each tank and its inhabitants.

nlreefguy 07-03-2010 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DiverDude (Post 531748)
Actually, while this seems to be a good question to ask, you have to realize that unless you are VERY specific as to your requirements and trust that the person(s) replying have carefully considered all your requirements (and have the expertise in the first place), then the quality of the information you get can be quite poor.

To use the skimmer example, you would need to describe your system in detail -system volume, reef/FOWLER, SPS or LPS dominated, fish type and quantity (today and where you expect to go with it in the future) etc. etc.

The person replying should have used a particular skimmer on a similar system and should point out any differences that may be a factor.

This rarely happens though so what you get is what was a good skimmer for THEM but may be less than ideal for you -because you have different needs. This is, in part, why books usually steer clear of that kind of information and stick with conceptual information, like how a skimmer works and the different types.

Take anything you read here (or on any forum) with a grain of (sea) salt. No one will intentionally steer you wrong but the information you get may not be best for you an your setup. Of course, you should never blindly follow what anyone suggests either -look for a consensus from a number of people before you act.

I agree, look for a consensus from a number of people, that's exactly what I was saying except in different words. Plus, there is no chance of getting any other source of information of such nature. Nobody does empirical reviews on things like skimmer performance or, say, ease of use of a type of calcium reactor (just for example), so all you have to go by when looking for that information is consensus from a number of people i.e. "opinions".

nlreefguy 07-03-2010 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayne (Post 531821)
AMEN!!!

Everyones tank is so different! When I bought my Red Sea Prism Skimmer it saies right on the box the gallon rating for what you have in your tank. Minimal fish up to 100gallons to a max bio load with fish and corals to like 20gallons (just off the top of my head). Just goes to show that the skimmer has to be purposed specifically to each tank and its inhabitants.

Also a good example of how you (and every other victim of Red Sea, myself included) could have saved themselves some money and frustration if we had seeked out consensus/opinion/user experiences on reef forums prior to the purchase!

Myka 07-03-2010 11:03 PM

My favorite online source would be Reef Keeping Magazine online.

nlreefguy 07-03-2010 11:14 PM

Or Advanced Aquarist's Online Magazine is pretty good:

www.advancedaquarist.com/


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